[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by slowbird

You think 2hp/ci is asking to much from a canted valve head, sheet metal intake and two 4's with a 4.750 stroke?

I don't know what the cv head is capable of, but bore limited with longer stroke in the Pontiac format hp per cube will go down.

Just because someone is beating their chest with a high hp per cube with a bigger bore than stroke, does not mean they will maintain that level as the stroke goes up.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

Still need to master the concept of letting your actions and results speak for your words. The names have changed on the cv side but the idea of We Will doesn't have the same cache as We DID. Until you do its just lip and snake oil.

Jeff, I wish you hadnt gone there.

Didnt you pull the cv's in favor of Picketts high port setup? Did it gain?
How come when you sold your motor you had to put the cv's back on to sell it? (What I heard anyway).

You had acheived mid 9's* on pump gas <10.5 compression NA at 3550 511" CI with a cam intended for a point + more compression and N2O use.(High 9's when you had it choked with small tube headers.) (*unless you lied to me)

Not bad for a street car that actually could/did go some street/highway miles.
Not bad for a basically bolt together combo without extensive porting.
I do recall you had someone unfamiliar with these heads touch them up lightly. I took your word for it, even kept your request to "try not to say anything".(till now)

No extensive dyno time, just track time at not best conditions tracks. And you made good numbers without using one of the best chassis shops around.

Considering the nature of the build, there is nothing wrong with the results you acheived. Yet you seemed embarrassed.

I'm thinking the CV camp would have had that rubbed in our faces if you had gone faster. Not just any head, Picketts "went fast" heads(maybe intake and cam too?)

IMO that CV combo could easily and affordably be duplicated by most anyone.

Acheivable with other heads? YES! But didnt happen when YOU changed heads did it?

You expected it to pick up notably or you wouldnt have tried other heads. Apparently that discouraged you enough to try and sell the 511 with the Pickett heads... but ended up needin to put the cv's back on to sell it. Why would that be? Oh yeah the Pickett heads slowed you down.

Info from you never came easy because you never wanted to get caught up in the politics of all this. I dont fault you for that sentiment.

Yes Jeff there is miles between we will and we did. You DID... and I think you got impatient wanting to do more. Like "try these Hi port heads, you will go faster". How'd that work out for you?

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

I don't know what the cv head is capable of, but bore limited with longer stroke in the Pontiac format hp per cube will go down.

Just because someone is beating their chest with a high hp per cube with a bigger bore than stroke, does not mean they will maintain that level as the stroke goes up.

Fully aware of that.

[mysticmissle]

Bruce you have no reason to speculate postulate or ruminate on my decision. Fwiw, I thank you again for your previous help.

now as you have brought it up. The under cammed, 70 cfm less.hi ports ran within .1 of the cvs. I DID the test for my own knowledge. I Paid ALL the expenses. The gentleman that wanted my motor, wanted the cvs. I gave the choice. He received a strong powerful motor. He would have received the same powerful I motor if he wanted the hi port package. I PROVED both were capable.

My reasons for selling are my own. I OWNED them and accomplished something to my knowledge unduplicated by any other cv car. Mjm has a great ride but.he had marcella in those ports.
You Bruce, are a great friend and champion for your friends and the cv head. However your fervor borders on unsubstantiated faith rather than proven facts. You and the 'others' did Jim no benefit.
I was never embarrassed with my results, I was appalled I was being associated with a circus side show. I removed myself.from the fray, at a large finacial cost to make the change.
How invested are you? Understand you have your issues, so does everyone. You make your decisions I'll make mine.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

Bruce you have no reason to speculate postulate or ruminate on my decision. Fwiw, I thank you again for your previous help.

now as you have brought it up. The under cammed, 70 cfm less.hi ports ran within .1 of the cvs. I DID the test for my own knowledge. I Paid ALL the expenses. The gentleman that wanted my motor, wanted the cvs. I gave the choice. He received a strong powerful motor. He would have received the same powerful I motor if he wanted the hi port package. I PROVED both were capable.

My reasons for selling are my own. I OWNED them and accomplished something to my knowledge unduplicated by any other cv car. Mjm has a great ride but.he had marcella in those ports.
You Bruce, are a great friend and champion for your friends and the cv head. However your fervor borders on unsubstantiated faith rather than proven facts. You and the 'others' did Jim no benefit.
I was never embarrassed with my results, I was appalled I was being associated with a circus side show. I removed myself.from the fray, at a large finacial cost to make the change.
How invested are you? Understand you have your issues, so does everyone. You make your decisions I'll make mine.

mysticmissle,
Do you have flow sheets? What did the Hi Ports flow and what did the CV-1's flow?

Stan

[J.C.you]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

slowbird,
Can you tell me who has made 2.4 HP / ci with a Pontiac engine? I know of only two who are in that area. Pickett and John Marcella

Stan

@ 2.4 HP / CI
___CI_________HP
400.0000______960
410.0000______984
420.0000_____1008
430.0000_____1032
440.0000_____1056
450.0000_____1080
460.0000_____1104
470.0000_____1128
480.0000_____1152
490.0000_____1176
500.0000_____1200
510.0000_____1224
520.0000_____1248
530.0000_____1272
540.0000_____1296
550.0000_____1320
560.0000_____1344
570.0000_____1368
580.0000_____1392
590.0000_____1416

bonk...bonk.......faulty info with only the stroke going up

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

there has not been a single 4 tiger headed motor that made over 1160 to my knowledge.

Bill said he is running a sheet metal with two dominators.

[mysticmissle]

Catalog 330 hi ports w 1.65 int 1.6 ex gasket matched Victor. . you already have my cv info

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

bonk...bonk.......faulty info with only the stroke going up

J.C.
So as the stroke increases your ci you do not multply the ci by 2.4 to get the HP per ci?

Stan

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by J.C.you

bonk...bonk.......faulty info with only the stroke going up

Stop it, his calculator can not be wrong!

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

Catalog 330 hi ports w 1.65 int 1.6 ex gasket matched Victor. . you already have my cv info

mysticmissle,
Thanks. Sorry I made an assumption that the heads you got from the Pickett's were ported.

Stan

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Stop it, his calculator can not be wrong!

Lil Jack,
Why don't you explain to me what my calculator did wrong?

Stan

[mysticmissle]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

mysticmissle,
Thanks. Sorry I made an assumption that the heads you got from the Pickett's were ported.

Stan

You know how it goes when you assume

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Jeff,
So selling 100 pairs of heads over what 5 years, which is an average of 20 pair per year means that his business was doing good?

Stan

in the pontiac world, why yes I think thats good!

[LiL Jack]

EHTTFMF

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

EHTTFMF

Lil Jack
Finally something we are in total agreement about, the EHTTFMF will skull dragger, triple donkey stomp, your ****.

Stan

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by mysticmissle

Bruce you have no reason to speculate postulate or ruminate on my decision. Fwiw, I thank you again for your previous help.

now as you have brought it up. The under cammed, 70 cfm less.hi ports ran within .1 of the cvs. I DID the test for my own knowledge. I Paid ALL the expenses. The gentleman that wanted my motor, wanted the cvs. I gave the choice. He received a strong powerful motor. He would have received the same powerful I motor if he wanted the hi port package. I PROVED both were capable.

My reasons for selling are my own. I OWNED them and accomplished something to my knowledge unduplicated by any other cv car. Mjm has a great ride but.he had marcella in those ports.
You Bruce, are a great friend and champion for your friends and the cv head. However your fervor borders on unsubstantiated faith rather than proven facts. You and the 'others' did Jim no benefit.
I was never embarrassed with my results, I was appalled I was being associated with a circus side show. I removed myself.from the fray, at a large finacial cost to make the change.
How invested are you? Understand you have your issues, so does everyone. You make your decisions I'll make mine.

Appreciate the straight forward answer. Your reply answered what I suspected was a contributing factor for switching. I didnt really want to come across so harsh.

I dont really care what head anybody runs... I'm going to be playin with APD ported D ports till I can find the right set of cv's.

Do you think any of us like being the "circus side show"? Who started it and continues to perpetuate it? Do you think I enjoyed your neighbors twist on everything? Should everybody just sit back and let someone tell lies... worse yet those believing and repeating the same nonsense?
Do you think we appreciated someone in our own camp with bold faith in the product making projections we dont know we can keep?
Closest I've come is the word potential. I've tried very hard to point out facts about the heads. I took the time and travel to physically investigate CV heads and their capabilities. A small investment. But worth it. I still plan on obtaining a set.

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Lil Jack
Finally something we are in total agreement about, the EHTTFMF will skull dragger, triple donkey stomp, your ****.

Stan

What engine/car do you have? What does it run?
When can we expect it to be out setting the world on fire?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

What engine/car do you have? What does it run?

No car, no engine, no Budget. But I can still catch and throwback the BS.

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

When can we expect it to be out setting the world on fire?

Those days for me are long gone. Back when I was in the Army worked on nuclear missile that was the last thing any of us wanted to see happen. Still don't.

Stan

[SLICK1]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kinsler

1. Pontiacs will continue to get faster with all the new products coming out!!!!!!!!!!
2. GREATGTOS engine will still not be in a car,just in his avatar like the last 5 years.
3. EHTTFMF!! will still get under peoples skin... LMAO
4. Magic Man wont race NMCA 10.5 because Dwight and Demayo will donkey stomp him.
5. E-Heads will win Toms heads up race again.
6. Bad69bird will be back out with his car in 2014...
7. Little Jack is still and will always be the CV1's most hated person.
8. TwinTurboBill will be on port number #44 (the port that ends all ports).
9. Calvin gives up after the 6th try to make 1000 hp with cv1's.
10. JDW Poncho will get skull drug by Little Jack.. DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN.
11. Twinturbobill will keep bumping the 12k gaby e-head thread.
12. Bankbook will be out in 2014 making some hits..
13. Cv1 powered car gets whipped by Jim Robersons d-port in Toms NA race.
14. Wreckmaster going to go 7.50s with a 3600 lb car. EHTTFMF!
15. Jim (7T2) will still be drinking and blaming the ECM for his problems
16. The Picketts will be fast as always with there badass hotrods!!!!
17. Stan's computers will short circuit from over use................ERROR......
18. Rodney and Travis will beat there 6.27 e.t.
19. Dwight will continue to get closer to that magical 7 sec pass!!
20. Jacks Visners will be the baddest heads out in 2014..
21. Mike Leech will stomp any cv1 na combo in 2014...
22. BATMAN's video will never be matched or beaten..
23. RAV's should lay down some numbers in 2014!!
24. Johnta1 will still have the slowest dragster in the country..
25. Pontiacs will continue to close the e.t. gap on other brands..
26. 2024 is when Greatgto and ttbill will show a timeslip.....maybe..
27. John Snyder will be a threat again in ultra street!!
28. Langer will still be the real KING...
29. Magic Man Marcella will be scared to come to race at Yellowbullet Nationals....
30. There will be many more locked threads in the race section...

Alot of thought was put into this, Nice!