[wreckmastr]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I like drag racing, but for Norwalk I am going into the car show.

Less stressful....

Save us a spot...I'll bring the beer.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by wreckmastr

Save us a spot...I'll bring the beer.

Sounds good to me!

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by warriors revenge

lol ^^^ can I park next to you??

U sure can!

[bankbook]

Originally Posted by mike leech

LOL!


Perfect analogy!

Actually what you did was right out of the libtard Sharpton/Obama Pelosi hand book. Accuse and blame those that make a truthful statement.
Thought you were smarter than that mike, lumping in any one owner that speaks as being part of "the club". As you very well know I go my own way, think for my self and act myself. Not part of any club, even though I have an ECM sticker on the TA.
The point of the post was simple, not every one agrees with what is being done daily to a valid product. There are those of us who have purchased and received the results searched for and are satisfied so far. With all do respect...we should be the ones that praise or condemn the product, not you.
Your car is a great sample of the same, hard work-great results. I bet when it wasn't the fact, if someone would have busted your balls because you picked a different manufacturer you would not have stood for it so why should any one else.

I don't like to get involved with all the high school bullshot, but enough is enough.

Dude
Remember you were the guy responsible for me buying these heads, so apologize here publicly NOW!
As you would post...
BWAHAHAHAHAHaHaHAHa!!!!!

[bankbook]

Hey deodorant boy. How bout you reinstate and I will answer you directly? Or keep to
The cowards way.

[jdw_poncho]

Originally Posted by bankbook

Actually what you did was right out of the libtard Sharpton/Obama Pelosi hand book. Accuse and blame those that make a truthful statement.
Thought you were smarter than that mike, lumping in any one owner that speaks as being part of "the club". As you very well know I go my own way, think for my self and act myself. Not part of any club, even though I have an ECM sticker on the TA.
The point of the post was simple, not every one agrees with what is being done daily to a valid product. There are those of us who have purchased and received the results searched for and are satisfied so far. With all do respect...we should be the ones that praise or condemn the product, not you.
Your car is a great sample of the same, hard work-great results. I bet when it wasn't the fact, if someone would have busted your balls because you picked a different manufacturer you would not have stood for it so why should any one else.

I don't like to get involved with all the high school bullshot, but enough is enough.

Dude
Remember you were the guy responsible for me buying these heads, so apologize here publicly NOW!
As you would post...
BWAHAHAHAHAHaHaHAHa!!!!!

LOL, perfect response!!

[T Syron]

Originally Posted by bankbook

Hey deodorant boy. How bout you reinstate and I will answer you directly? Or keep to
The cowards way.

[mjm421]

Again: Why do advertisers and politicians pick celebrities to endorse them or their product?
__________________

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by bankbook

Actually what you did was right out of the libtard Sharpton/Obama Pelosi hand book. Accuse and blame those that make a truthful statement.
Thought you were smarter than that mike, lumping in any one owner that speaks as being part of "the club". As you very well know I go my own way, think for my self and act myself. Not part of any club, even though I have an ECM sticker on the TA.
The point of the post was simple, not every one agrees with what is being done daily to a valid product. There are those of us who have purchased and received the results searched for and are satisfied so far. With all do respect...we should be the ones that praise or condemn the product, not you.
Your car is a great sample of the same, hard work-great results. I bet when it wasn't the fact, if someone would have busted your balls because you picked a different manufacturer you would not have stood for it so why should any one else.

I don't like to get involved with all the high school bullshot, but enough is enough.

Dude
Remember you were the guy responsible for me buying these heads, so apologize here publicly NOW!
As you would post...
BWAHAHAHAHAHaHaHAHa!!!!!

No you are wrong...the ***s at occupy never have done crapola in their lives. They are the ones in the perpetual wind up to what they are gonna do....eventually, someday, cuz they are awesome too and mean people won't let them succeed.

Its not the people actually working and having some success that are camped out pooping in the park cvrying its not fair! WTF is wrong with you? this is obvious.

It won't matter what head was chosen if the combo is great and performs. PERIOD! Same goes for any other product.

When I first built my ia2 motor at 488 cid it made 883hp back in 04. I was accused of lying etc....next came the "ya right, take to the track and let us know what it runs and weighs" comments. Then I went 9.13 at 150 first time out. CRICKETS! save for 2-3 retards that then went on about it being way bigger than 488. NO ONE IS IMUNE TO HAVING TO SHOW RESULTS!

In all truth most of the performance realized is in the combination of parts and the MODIFICATION of the cylinder head. That means getting the right guys in your corner to ensure the best outcome. The problems some products have is they have not passed the same doubt/results tests as other products. Its that easy.

[bankbook]

[QUOTE=mike leech;5136950]No you are wrong...the ***s at occupy never have done crapola in their lives. They are the ones in the perpetual wind up to what they are gonna do....eventually, someday, cuz they are awesome too and mean people won't let them succeed.

Its not the people actually working and having some success that are camped out pooping in the park cvrying its not fair! WTF is wrong with you? this is obvious.

No argument from me here. The point you missed was simple...don't lump every one up in the fight.

It won't matter what head was chosen if the combo is great and performs. PERIOD! Same goes for any other product.

Agreed- results speak louder than words. But, when guys like Robin absolutely performed where expected, they are stuck down. Why is that? Ever wonder why he hasn't posted up in a year or two? There are many other guys with these heads that we running around the country successfully with no complaints. If they were so bad wouldn't dozens of them be posting up how bad they suck?

[R 70 Judge]

Originally Posted by mjm421

Again: Why do advertisers and politicians pick celebrities to endorse them or their product?
__________________

"A celebrity endorsement can help build trust with current and potential customers, increase the chances of the brand being remembered, and attract a new type of audience. Endorsements also may increase the consumer's desire for a product. This is often achieved by implying that the particular celebrity is successful, talented, or attractive at least partly because of the product."


That being said the first person picked to endorse the product was not universally liked in the Pontiac community. I feel this led to some people to have reservations regarding the performance claims being made. Also, I seem to remember a lot of anti KRE high port rhetoric with allegations regarding casting quality and valve seats falling out. The high port has gone on to show great power capabilities and is considered a strong choice for a performance application. The high port has proven to be a good head.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by mjm421

Again: Why do advertisers and politicians pick celebrities to endorse them or their product?
__________________

Not so sure about politicians getting to pick. Thats a given if you're same party as they are.

Celebrity endorsement is to capitalize on the fame and public opinion of the celebrity and attach it to your product.

What happens when the product fails?

What happens to the paid endorsement when the celebrity fouls up and pulls a tiger woods?

[mike leech]

[QUOTE=bankbook;5136954]

Originally Posted by mike leech

No you are wrong...the ***s at occupy never have done crapola in their lives. They are the ones in the perpetual wind up to what they are gonna do....eventually, someday, cuz they are awesome too and mean people won't let them succeed.

Its not the people actually working and having some success that are camped out pooping in the park cvrying its not fair! WTF is wrong with you? this is obvious.

No argument from me here. The point you missed was simple...don't lump every one up in the fight.

It won't matter what head was chosen if the combo is great and performs. PERIOD! Same goes for any other product.

Agreed- results speak louder than words. But, when guys like Robin absolutely performed where expected, they are stuck down. Why is that? Ever wonder why he hasn't posted up in a year or two? There are many other guys with these heads that we running around the country successfully with no complaints. If they were so bad wouldn't dozens of them be posting up how bad they suck?

Well lumping goes both ways. I've never ripped on robin or others out running them and enjoying them. I've repeatedly stated its a matter of time before they make 1000hp.
Like 1 customer taking a trip to bes and lying down the jack to get it done. There are several other capable individuals but none have taken up the cv.

[mike leech]

[QUOTE=bankbook;5136954]

Originally Posted by mike leech

If they were so bad wouldn't dozens of them be posting up how bad they suck?

You have to know there are deserters that have admitted their dismay right?

And to be fair there are people that were dismayed with tigers,eheads,hps etc but most improved what they had...

[jdw_poncho]

[QUOTE=mike leech;5136960]

Originally Posted by bankbook

There are several other capable individuals but none have taken up the cv.

So what's the point?

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Not so sure about politicians getting to pick. Thats a given if you're same party as they are.

Celebrity endorsement is to capitalize on the fame and public opinion of the celebrity and attach it to your product.

What happens when the product fails?

What happens to the paid endorsement when the celebrity fouls up and pulls a tiger woods?

My point being what happens when celebrities do the opposite? What if Shaq came out and said this heat balm sucks. States it is portioned too small. Well, for Shaq it may not work but a normal sized guy will have no problem. It cannot be said that bad press in this instance didn't hurt. That head would be fine for 90% of peoples performance goals. That was never stated enough. Who gives a damn if we already had E or HP heads. No reason to run another option off the market. And yes I'm calling you, John, Jeff, and Jack Pontiac celebs. Consider it the highest of compliments please.

[mjm421]

Originally Posted by R 70 Judge

"A celebrity endorsement can help build trust with current and potential customers, increase the chances of the brand being remembered, and attract a new type of audience. Endorsements also may increase the consumer's desire for a product. This is often achieved by implying that the particular celebrity is successful, talented, or attractive at least partly because of the product."


That being said the first person picked to endorse the product was not universally liked in the Pontiac community. I feel this led to some people to have reservations regarding the performance claims being made. Also, I seem to remember a lot of anti KRE high port rhetoric with allegations regarding casting quality and valve seats falling out. The high port has gone on to show great power capabilities and is considered a strong choice for a performance application. The high port has proven to be a good head.

Thank you James! I remember one of the most critical of the HP's. Pontiac's own Piers Goober Morgan. The HP's are excellent heads. (especially in a certain Jim Robertson's hands) Good luck Friday brother!!!

[bankbook]

[QUOTE=jdw_poncho;5136968]

Originally Posted by mike leech

So what's the point?

.???

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by mjm421

My point being what happens when celebrities do the opposite? What if Shaq came out and said this heat balm sucks. States it is portioned too small. Well, for Shaq it may not work but a normal sized guy will have no problem. It cannot be said that bad press in this instance didn't hurt. That head would be fine for 90% of peoples performance goals. That was never stated enough. Who gives a damn if we already had E or HP heads. No reason to run another option off the market. And yes I'm calling you, John, Jeff, and Jack Pontiac celebs. Consider it the highest of compliments please.

Well you of all people know that I do not hate the head, or think that there is no way it can make power. Was there neg press yes. Where ridiculous claims made? yes. Were some made by non users that were not based entirely in fact and negative in nature? yes While I appreciate you're reference to celebs, I'd point out that that was not my intent to become one or to bash the head. More to the guys who have never done what they claim will be so easy and can't seem to get it done. The head has more potential than my eheads.

Mike do you think if we wanted to make 1000+ with a cv1 that we couldn't? Why have the experts not then?

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by bankbook

Actually what you did was right out of the libtard Sharpton/Obama Pelosi hand book. Accuse and blame those that make a truthful statement.
Thought you were smarter than that mike, lumping in any one owner that speaks as being part of "the club". As you very well know I go my own way, think for my self and act myself. Not part of any club, even though I have an ECM sticker on the TA.
The point of the post was simple, not every one agrees with what is being done daily to a valid product. There are those of us who have purchased and received the results searched for and are satisfied so far. With all do respect...we should be the ones that praise or condemn the product, not you.
Your car is a great sample of the same, hard work-great results. I bet when it wasn't the fact, if someone would have busted your balls because you picked a different manufacturer you would not have stood for it so why should any one else.

I don't like to get involved with all the high school bullshot, but enough is enough.

Dude
Remember you were the guy responsible for me buying these heads, so apologize here publicly NOW!
As you would post...
BWAHAHAHAHAHaHaHAHa!!!!!

I agree about pushing the heads and probably was responsible for half the early CV-1 sales. I posted EVERY result and upgrade I did. Did a lot of testing and changing. I also took a lot of flack. Tons of it and just posted my results and modifications. Never complained once. Explained their limitations, etc. Check 6/7 years ago and posts. All I ever did was offer JIM advise, info from more experienced head porters and what they saw as a better version or upgrade. That info was ignored. I never actually bad mouthed the product. Even after I was Butt phucked. Check the past records. My bitch was being kicked to the curb after spending 10 grand getting ready to run the the heads up Drag radial class waiting on a set of 468cfm heads he was having done.
They ended up being door stops or book ends. LOL. Then told Oh well. Have a nice day and go figure out what top end ya want to run on your own as I never kept any of the stuff I got for the "STREET Versions" of the CV-1 deal.

I only bitched about being a MAJOR contributor to selling and helping Jim further is product for over 2 years and thousands upon thousands spent on upgrades based on the original intent of the heads. Then after the fact and 2 years latter. I was then Hammered by the CV-1 crowd for not using the right parts and they never were involved from the beginning as to what the actual game plan was.
Do they work. Yes. Are they the ultimate......... no. Can they be made better with a redesigned intake port and size for the original concept.......... YES.
Do they have a market. Yes.

Others after I was out of the program. Jumped the Shark and made promises we are still waiting to see. 5 years later.

So don't throw me to the wolves, buddy. LOL. I was forced later into a corner I didn't go to. I stated what happened as to why I wasn't running the CV-1 program anymore. I was put on Ignore. Bwahahahahahaha. Wasn't because I wasn't spending the money or just testing. I was going heads up. Ford, Chevy, Mopar. Not just Pontiac's
Jim was to supply a set of 468 cfm good flowing heads CORES. No parts involved. He actually brought up the Big flowing number heads and that direction was why when I felt the end of the road was reached with the current testing and their street capability. I returned the Original CV-1 heads, Didn't keep them and work a deal for another set. That was his PROMISE
But they turned out to not to be what was promised and thus lies the issue. And he knew it even before I got them from the Race Shop too.


I stayed silent for years until I was personally attacked so I just supplied info to back up my statements.

Phuck the turtle deal, phuck the bigger higher rpm cam, phuck the tranny deal. All just rhetoric to cover up issues the heads can have trying to do what Jim originally intended them to do. Period.
Then I see recently that others seem are now getting blasted for the same issues I had. So I guess I wasn't the only one out there ........................ now.

What goes around comes around and Personally now, my life is great.

Do they respond to nitrous better then N/A. From the little bit I had to play with them and results over the E-heads. Yes, I think they are more power adder friendly. I still feel in an all out power adder application with a few port mods they can do some damage. Depending on the class ya chose to run.

Now compared to other head development that has surfaced over the past couple of years, can they keep up?????? Guess we will have to wait till some one steps up the the plate and spends time and money.

Jim had the opportunity to play in the Big Pond....... heads up deal. He chose to close that door and listen to others wanting on the CV-1 train. His heads. His call.

I'm done as long as I'm left alone to do my thing. I have a game plan, just gonna take a little longer now. No sponsors my money, my time, my investment.


When I'm done and tuned up......... Might even Skull Drag Lil Jack down the track if............ he gives me the rear tire stage.