[njsteve]

Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob

Steve - Thanks for all your help. I imagine this is sort of like sending your kid off to college. You no longer have any real control, but you get to look forward to those opportunities when you have a chance to provide guidance and the benefit of your experience. Thanks.
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LOL. I forbid you from taking that car on Spring Break!

[transam1972]

Originally Posted by Formulabruce

Deluxe 72 is NOT mesh, that is a fact.. Have not seen mesh on any 72 I have parted, thats standard, Esprit ( mandatory deluxe) or Formula, or T/A ( S, T, U or V)
but never say never, a early one, built in Sept 71, ya never know....

I want to keep it and still install it..can we all agree that it was a mistake on my part...I had the standard tray..but I also had standard interior..the mesh is nice as no speaker cover but thanks for clearing that up FB

[unruhjonny]

Originally Posted by Formulabruce

Deluxe 72 is NOT mesh, that is a fact.. Have not seen mesh on any 72 I have parted, thats standard, Esprit ( mandatory deluxe) or Formula, or T/A ( S, T, U or V)
but never say never, a early one, built in Sept 71, ya never know....

So then, my memory WAS working;
I didn't want to put something out there, be wrong, and no one say anything.

Thanks for the reply

[transam1972]

I LIKE THE 72 ASSEMBLY MANUAL FOR DETAIL..THEN LOOK TO THE PARTS BOOK FOR DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE HARDWARE..I PREFER A PAPER BOOK TOO..THESE DRAWINGS & PART #S SHOW DIFFERANT LENGTH BOLTS..BUT IN REAL LIFE THE ASSEMBLERS (AS FAR AS I HAVE CHECKED) USED THE COMMON #....314 INNER FENDER BOLTS USED ALL OVER THE FRONT OF THE CAR..ALSO SEE THE SPECIAL SELF TAPPING SCREWS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE VALANCE TO THE BUMPER..THESE SCREWS ARE ALSO USED ON THE GRILLS TO THE BRACKETS..AGAIN SAME HARDWARE NEAR THE SAME LOCATION

[transam1972]

AGAIN YOU WILL MOST LIKELY REUSE YOUR STEEL VALANCE TO CORE SUPPORT HARDWARE...WE WILL BE CERTAIN TO USE WASHERS AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO...SINCE I AM ALSO INSTALLING A FRONT SPOILER, SLIGHTLY LONGER BOLTS ARE CALLED FOR IN THE ASSEMBLY MANUAL..BUT AGIN IN REAL LIFE THE ASSEMBLERS JUST USED #..314..NOT LIKE THEY WOULD CAREFULLY CHOOSE A LONGER BOLT FOR A SPOILER!!..FORMULA BRUCE SAYS SOMTHING LIKE A CAR EVERY 45 SECONDS!!??

[transam1972]

I GOT THIS N.O,S,SPEAKER,COVER PLATE & BOX FROM YEAR 1...BACK IN THE DAY EHEN THEY SOLD GM PARTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE..ALL THIS TRAY TALK WANTS ME TO PUT IN THE CORRECT 72 STANDARD TRAY..BUT I KNOW I WILL MESS UP THE SPEAKER SIAMESE TWIN CUTS!!

[Bentwheelbob]

Originally Posted by transam1972

I LIKE THE 72 ASSEMBLY MANUAL FOR DETAIL..THEN LOOK TO THE PARTS BOOK FOR DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE HARDWARE..I PREFER A PAPER BOOK TOO..THESE DRAWINGS & PART #S SHOW DIFFERANT LENGTH BOLTS..BUT IN REAL LIFE THE ASSEMBLERS (AS FAR AS I HAVE CHECKED) USED THE COMMON #....314 INNER FENDER BOLTS USED ALL OVER THE FRONT OF THE CAR..ALSO SEE THE SPECIAL SELF TAPPING SCREWS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE VALANCE TO THE BUMPER..THESE SCREWS ARE ALSO USED ON THE GRILLS TO THE BRACKETS..AGAIN SAME HARDWARE NEAR THE SAME LOCATIONAttachment 358444

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Thanks Glenn. What is the Sheet number in the bottom right corner of the assembly manual drawing?

[njsteve]

Originally Posted by transam1972

I GOT THIS N.O,S,SPEAKER,COVER PLATE & BOX FROM YEAR 1...BACK IN THE DAY EHEN THEY SOLD GM PARTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE..ALL THIS TRAY TALK WANTS ME TO PUT IN THE CORRECT 72 STANDARD TRAY..BUT I KNOW I WILL MESS UP THE SPEAKER SIAMESE TWIN CUTS!!Attachment 358455

If you place the package tray on the rear deck, you can use a pencil and mark the underside of the tray through the four screw holes. That way have a locater for the speaker.
I will see if I can make a paper stencil and scan it in for you guys.

[transam1972]

Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob

Thanks Glenn. What is the Sheet number in the bottom right corner of the assembly manual drawing?

...14A1-1for valance...misc. 11E-2

[transam1972]

Originally Posted by njsteve

If you place the package tray on the rear deck, you can use a pencil and mark the underside of the tray through the four screw holes. That way have a locater for the speaker.
I will see if I can make a paper stencil and scan it in for you guys.

..that is the way to do it..I do not think sometimes..thanks!

[transam1972]

[Norwood]

Sometimes we forget that Steve is an educated lawyer and just dose this car thing so he can hang with us and look smart.

Sometimes I just can't believe that I come up with this stuff......

[Norwood]

Originally Posted by transam1972

Attachment 358591

I might have originally done that bracket for Steve. Steve do you remember? PY and Ames sell the **** out of those things. Whoed of thunk it? It fits 71 to 75

[Norwood]

Originally Posted by Norwood

I might have originally done that bracket for Steve. Steve do you remember? PY and Ames sell the **** out of those things. Whoed of thunk it? It fits 71 to 75

I hate it when the forum censors me like that....To the PY administrator I NEED SPELL CHECK...............My public education is killing me

[njsteve]

Originally Posted by Norwood

I might have originally done that bracket for Steve. Steve do you remember? PY and Ames sell the **** out of those things. Whoed of thunk it? It fits 71 to 75

Yes, you did. The original bracket was taken off of my Gramma's 1975 so it was used for 74 and 75 as well and 72 and 73. Anything with a Polyethylene valance.

And you even created it from my photos and drawings which is much more impressive example of your skills, in my opinion!

[transam1972]

SENT THE MESH ONE BACK..ACTUALLY THE GRILLE WILL LOOK VERY 70s...now if I can only cut those damn holes....

[Formulabruce]

Originally Posted by njsteve

Yes, you did. The original bracket was taken off of my Gramma's 1975 so it was used for 74 and 75 as well and 72 and 73. Anything with a Polyethylene valance.

And you even created it from my photos and drawings which is much more impressive example of your skills, in my opinion!

The bracket shows up in the 73 parts manual with the steel bracket, as well as the bracket for the steel valence..

[transam1972]

Originally Posted by njsteve

Yes, you did. The original bracket was taken off of my Gramma's 1975 so it was used for 74 and 75 as well and 72 and 73. Anything with a Polyethylene valance.

And you even created it from my photos and drawings which is much more impressive example of your skills, in my opinion!

...that is amazing..I have seen that part advertised by the vendors and considered getting a new one..how does he do it?...then again, he is NORWOOD

[Bentwheelbob]

So the Black Car has new kick panels. To the best of my knowledge the kick panels were original. The passenger side was really scuffed up and had a lot of deep gouges. The drivers side was in better shape, but it had a cut out for a Rube Goldberg interior hood release. At some point in the Black Cars previous life it had been the subject of criminal activity and the owner at the time rigged up an interior hood release. NJSteve removed all the hardware, but the kick panel cutout remained.

Originally I thought I would try to clean up, fix and re-dye the originals, but once I got them out that idea did not seem like a winner so I ordered replacements. The replacement kick panels were OER brand. They were high quality pieces that I am very happy with. In comparison to the original units the biggest difference was that texture/graining was slightly smoother. Also, the bubble on the passenger side that covered the vacuum actuator was slightly different in how it was shaped at the top and it did not have any sound deadening. Regardless, the bubble fit fine (actually better) and I simply transplanted the sound deadening from the old to the new.

In terms of process, everything went pretty well. I struggled getting the old passenger side out without removing the heater box, but eventually it came out. I worried more about getting the new in without scratching it, but it went in great - much easier than I anticipated. For waterproofing I used 3M black strip-calk and it worked fine. The biggest problem was that the working quarters were very tight and several of the locations for retaining screws left no room for a screw driver. If you do this, get the absolute shortest screwdriver made. Here's a few (actually more than a few) pictures comparing the original kick panels and the new OER kick panels.

[transam1972]

I NOTICED THE GRAIN ON THE KICK PANELS..MY UNERSTANDING IS GM TOOLING WAS FAR BETTER...ON THE OTHER HAND THEY ARE NICE AND I DOUBT ANYONE IS STARING DOWN THERE...MY PASSENGER SIDE WAS A GM REPLACEMENT...STRANGELY THEY CAME IN DARK BLUE (MINE WAS NOT DYED TO MATCH)....I WOULD RATHER HAVE THESE IN BLACK THAN O.E.M. AND I WOULD HAVE TO DYE THEM...THE REAR 1/4 SEAT PANELS & UPPER SAILS ARE EXCELLANT...AGAIN, MOLDED IN BLACK AND MANY OTHER COLOURS...THE 72-77 FRONT LOWER DOOR PANELS ARE ALSO NOW REPOPED IN COLOURS