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Old 05-18-2014, 09:37 PM
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Are they "hooked up"?
Yes they are! And, they fly that way! I honestly believe that if enough of them hit your car and remained there they would strip all the paint! I may keep that idea in mind if I ever do another car.

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Old 05-18-2014, 10:28 PM
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Maybe that explains the steering wheel...lol

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Old 05-19-2014, 12:05 AM
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Didn't PY's procedure entail removing all the material off the rim, and then putting your wheel in a mold and injecting in new material? Or did they just re-color the wheel? I need to have mine redone but the plastic/faux wood material is fine I.e no nicks/cuts, it just need the wood grain look put back on it. Right now my wheel looks like a slick tan plastic wheel. No evidence it ever had a wood grain pattern to it.

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Old 05-19-2014, 09:45 PM
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Phil-

Didn't PY's procedure entail removing all the material off the rim, and then putting your wheel in a mold and injecting in new material? Or did they just re-color the wheel? I need to have mine redone but the plastic/faux wood material is fine I.e no nicks/cuts, it just need the wood grain look put back on it. Right now my wheel looks like a slick tan plastic wheel. No evidence it ever had a wood grain pattern to it.
Charles,
They completely stripped my wheel and re molded it. Then it was re colored. There are places on my wheel now that are down to the tan plastic. I wonder if the hardener in the clear was defective or something. The wheel has a sticky feeling in places. I plan on sending it back right after the show at Summit Racing in McDonough, Ga. on June 7th.

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Old 05-25-2014, 09:37 PM
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My car is sitting on jack stands with no wheels as I write this. I took the wheels off, had the tires dis-mounted and started to strip them so I can re-paint them. I got one wheel stripped Thursday evening but it took me over 3 hours to do so. This was before I had the tires removed. I was telling a friend about it and he suggested having the wheels media blasted. He gave me the number of a guy so I called him about doing the job. He said he would do the remaining three front and back for about $30.00 and would take about an hour to do them. I asked if that was $30.00 a wheel and he said no $30.00 for all three.
I am taking them to him tomorrow afternoon and will order the tape kit from PY Tuesday. Here's the one wheel that I did.
The reason I am doing this is because the paint on them is very thick and chipped off in several places. I want to take my car to a show on the 7th of June.
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I hope he uses walnut or glass and not the slag media.

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My car is sitting on jack stands with no wheels as I write this. I took the wheels off, had the tires dis-mounted and started to strip them so I can re-paint them. I got one wheel stripped Thursday evening but it took me over 3 hours to do so. This was before I had the tires removed. I was telling a friend about it and he suggested having the wheels media blasted. He gave me the number of a guy so I called him about doing the job. He said he would do the remaining three front and back for about $30.00 and would take about an hour to do them. I asked if that was $30.00 a wheel and he said no $30.00 for all three.
I am taking them to him tomorrow afternoon and will order the tape kit from PY Tuesday. Here's the one wheel that I did.
The reason I am doing this is because the paint on them is very thick and chipped off in several places. I want to take my car to a show on the 7th of June.
Thats a deal!. I have a guy around here that does small parts for me for next to nothing. He just adds the into a job where the machine is already running and takes him no time. Its extra cash on the side for him.

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Old 05-26-2014, 01:57 AM
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Would you mind taking a few pics and a few notes as you go along, and then post them? I have the kit and have been waiting to do the same job for a while. Your stripped wheel looks good. Did you paint them the last time? When I ordered the kit it came with dupli color spray bomb paint. I've read a few threads where others prefer to spray them with a gun. Which way are you going?
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Old 05-26-2014, 02:14 PM
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I've never had problem masking the wheels with regular purple or blue masking tape. Paint the entire wheel argent first, then you just lay that tape down tight and you can see the outlines clearly. Take an x-acto razor and go to it. Remove the tape from the part you want to be charcoal, spray and you are done.
One tip... I strongly suggest that you clean both sides of the wheel and paint the inside gray. It will show up when the wheel is mounted and will stand out if it's dirty and grimy.

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Old 05-26-2014, 07:03 PM
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I had the wheels done today. He cleaned the front and back of all four wheels and they turned out really nice. I noticed one very small flaw in one wheel and will use a little Bondo red filler to fix it. I am going to use rattle cans to do this job. I am kinda sorta maybe looking for a set of 15" rally IIs and if I do get them they will be powder coated.
Charles I thought about ordering the stencil kit from our host but I may try taping one off first. I'll take pictures as I go. The wheels looked like they have been painted more than once but not by me. This will be my first attempt.
I do have one question. Now that the wheels are bare metal should I use a primer or can I just use the wheel paint? If a primer is to be used what type?

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Old 05-26-2014, 08:12 PM
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When I stripped and repainted my Rally II's, I tried the stencil kit, but it wouldn't stick good enough. The blue painters tape as mentioned above and it worked great.

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Old 05-26-2014, 08:21 PM
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Here's my rattle can process…
  • Strip old paint using chemical stripper
  • Submerge the wheel in Evap-o-Rust until all rust is gone
  • Use dental picks and sandpaper to remove all of grit/debris from between rim and hub
  • Hand sand
  • Clean wheel
  • SEM self etching primer (light coat)
  • Tape over codes so as to avoid filling them
  • Fill pits & gouges (I use Icing)
  • Prime (remove tape over codes, blend)
  • Paint back of wheel using Rust-oleum light appliance grey
  • Paint front of wheel using Eastwood Argent for Rally Wheels (light coats)
  • Use stencils for the spokes
  • Use fine line masking tape for edges & corners where needed.
  • SEM Charcoal Metallic Trim Paint (light coats)

If you're careful with the masking, you won't need to use a razor to trim the tape. I use light coats of paint on the front of the wheel I don't use any clear. I've found this method looks great and is easiest to touch-up or redo if necessary.
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Old 05-26-2014, 10:37 PM
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Thanks for the help. I'll try the paint method.

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Old 05-27-2014, 10:19 PM
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What primer did you use after the filling the pits? I didn't follow your instructions completely on the back of the wheels. I cleaned them then used a light coat of etching primer. After it dried I applied a light coat of Rustoleum stainless steel. After it dried I lightly sanded the wheels, cleaned them and shot a second light coat followed by a third and final coat.
I have not done anything to the fronts other than clean them and apply a light coat of etching primer.
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And here are the paints I used. I used one full can plus a little out of the second can on both the primer and paint. But, I did all surfaces of the rim with the primer and three coats on the back and inside with the final paint.
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What primer did you use after the filling the pits? I didn't follow your instructions completely on the back of the wheels. I cleaned them then used a light coat of etching primer. After it dried I applied a light coat of Rustoleum stainless steel. After it dried I lightly sanded the wheels, cleaned them and shot a second light coat followed by a third and final coat.
I have not done anything to the fronts other than clean them and apply a light coat of etching primer.
here are some before and after pics.
I use SEM High Build Primer Surfacer in Gray. I think gray primer works better under the argent silver than green or brown.

I prep the back of the wheels the same way as the front…I'm especially picky with the one I choose to use as the spare. The Rust-oleum Light Machine Gray color I use on the backs is close enough to the Dove Gray that was used originally.

The end result is good enough for me...I'm not much of a car show guy, but my wheels compare favorably to most that I see at local shows and cruise ins…

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Old 05-28-2014, 06:42 PM
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Gator,
Thanks for the reply. I am going to work on the fronts tonight. If I get far enough I am going to use a gray primer sealer over the etching primer.

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Well, I got the wheels primed and the first coat of finish silver on them this evening. I am going to let them dry overnight then tomorrow afternoon I am going to light sand the silver and give it another coat. I am painting these wheels outside and I tried my best to keep any trash from getting on them but you know what they say about the best laid plans! Hopefully the breeze will lay long enough for me to get another coat on them. I will have to get the tires remounted Friday or wait until next week so I will tape them off and paint the grey Friday or Saturday with the tires mounted.
Anyway, here are two pictures. First one is the primer sealer and the second is the first coat of silver.
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Old 05-28-2014, 11:24 PM
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Looking real good!! Thanks Phil and Gator for the pictures and painting processes. I will follow the steps. One question which I think I know the answer, but will ask anyway is: what is "icing"? Is it a brand name?
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The wheels are finished and back on the car. I also dyed the window crank knobs and painted a jack even though it is not the right one. At least it will be in the car until I can find a correct one.
I will start with pictures of the wheels first. And, I will also tell on myself in the hope that it will save someone else some aggravation. I taped one of the wheels off and sprayed the charcoal in three light coats. After lettin the paint set up for about 20 minutes I pulled the tape off. Every piece except one small one on one of the spokes came off. When I tried to get a fingernail under it I realized that there was no tape to peel off! I missed taping one small spot! But, I decided to let the wheel dry overnight then I taped off the charcoal, sanded the spot down and shot the silver again. It turned out fine. I told myself to be careful and make sure I taped the whole wheel off on the next three.
So, I taped them off and grabbed the charcoal paint. Not until I fogged the first wheel did I realize that I forgot to tape off all five spokes!! After walking across the yard to pick up the spray can I ripped all the tape and paper off the wheel and shot the silver again! I let that wheel dry and went on to the last two and they were taped completely before I shot the gray. Two out of four went according to plan.
It was about 8pm Thursday and I still had one wheel to paint with the dark gray. But, I decided to leave it alone and have the tire mounted before painting it. And that gave me no problem.
I had the tires mounted and balanced Friday, painted the last one Friday evening, let them all set until Saturday then I washed the tires, installed the center caps, trim rings and put the wheels back on the car.
I don't have a picture of them on the car yet but will get one soon.
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