[The Boss]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Way light on Brad.

I expected that Tony would be tapped too - because his reaction to the idiot was with a race car on pit road.

The difference that I think NASCAR should have considered (in making a stronger hit on Brad) is that Brad was driving (and hitting things) heading towards the pit crews.

Tony backed up to hit the idiot - the crews were in the other direction.

I'm good with the fine on Tony.

There should have been a much larger fine and a 25 point penalty on Brad.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I agree 100% - bad move on Tony's part in light of recent events.

The ruling on Brad is unusual in that there is a consistent pattern of 25 points & $100k in other similar post race events. Why did they break pattern here?

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by The Boss

The ruling on Brad is unusual in that there is a consistent pattern of 25 points & $100k in other similar post race events. Why did they break pattern here?

My wife claims that it's because it's during the chase and the incidents did not occur during the race, but after it was over.

I think she may be onto something. Or was that on something...

[Pontiacdaver]

Originally Posted by The Boss

I agree 100% - bad move on Tony's part in light of recent events.

The ruling on Brad is unusual in that there is a consistent pattern of 25 points & $100k in other similar post race events. Why did they break pattern here?

He is currently 10th in the (Stupid) Chase standings, only 7 points ahead of JJ and DEjr, wouldn't a loss of 25 points take him out of contention? If so, that is why he wasn't penalized.

-Dave

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by Pontiacdaver

He is currently 10th in the (Stupid) Chase standings, only 7 points ahead of JJ and DEjr, wouldn't a loss of 25 points take him out of contention? If so, that is why he wasn't penalized.

-Dave

I think for all three of them - the only safe way to make the next round is to win at 'Dega.

Personally, if his actions justified the 25 point penalty (and I believe they did), the fact it would take him further out of contention shouldn't matter.

Last year when penalties were assessed - it took someone out of the Chase. Which was the right thing to do.

[hada76]

Originally Posted by The Champ

Way light on Brad.

I expected that Tony would be tapped too - because his reaction to the idiot was with a race car on pit road.

still has the hair trigger, you would think recent events would have toned that down a bit.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by hada76

still has the hair trigger, you would think recent events would have toned that down a bit.

The one with the hair trigger was the one that hit 3 different race cars after the end of the race.

Getting rammed from behind when you did absolutely nothing wrong might have a tendency to upset most people.

[63Banshee]

A cooler mind in his situation would have let it go -- or maybe he's just stupid.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

Yes, and Tony Stewart will probably never be politically correct. Some people do not fit the molds that some think everyone should fit and never will. Dominant personalities usually don't fit the molds as well as caring even a little bit about what other people think of them, or their actions. They don't need other peoples approval to be content with themselves.

The opposite is the sheeple that follow the herd and want to be liked by everyone they encounter, bend over backwards so everyone has a glowing report about them.

Yet again, this is why Tony Stewart is his own man and really isn't concerned what all the sheeple think about his actions.

What happened in upstate NY was a complete accident that claimed someones life. There was no skirmish on track between Tony and Ward prior to the incident. Ward thought he had been wronged and set out to vindicate something that had no merit. Now Stewart is in Wards role thinking WTF did he hit me for and reacts. Tony however does not walk out into traffic for his retaliation. He stays inside the car and hammers the guy who ran into him. So if Ward was right in what he did, then Tony ought to be right in his reaction.

In the heat of the moment the furthest thing from Tony's thoughts were the accident with Ward Jr. He reacted automatically the same way someone reacts on track in an emergency situation. You don't sit there and contemplate what your going to do, there is not time to review in your mind, adrenalin rushes and instinct takes over.

One difference is there was actually physical contact between BK and Tony's car. In Ward's case there was no contact, he was POed that Tony slid up in front of him and took his line away causing him to hit the cushion and spin out as well as flatten the RR tire. He could have backed off since Ward was out of Tony's line of vision, he however chose not to and ended up spinning out. The car in the front has the right to use the track however he wants to and the car following the lead car has to act accordingly. If you chose not to get out of the throttle then you pay the price for not taking evasive action.

Tony has said in many interviews when there were on track skirmishes that he had that coming and expected he'd be paid back. This time he had no role whatsoever and wasn't expected to be run into while sitting stopped after the race concluded. In other words Tony owns up to having wronged someone else on track, unlike many people today he is accountable for his actions.

BK, in his interview said "Tony had every right to be POed, I'd have been POed too if I were Tony". That comes directly from the instigator himself. I see no reason that Hamlin and Kenseth weren't included in the disciplining actions. They were as reckless as the 2 that did get disciplined, as well as being detrimental to racing and NASCAR, IMO.

How many people on this post have said that the race Saturday night was exciting to watch. Looked like old times. Well ya can't have no action and drama without being detrimental to racing and NASCAR. So which is it going to be? Ya can't have it both ways, either it's going to be a throw down or they all act like sissies. From reactions in this post most want the fighting and drama. Not one mention about the cars all looking the same, and longing for the "good ole days of NASCAR".......LOL

[63Banshee]

It is fact that incidents like this can impact his civil case. He is stupid for doing anything intentionally that can be used against him. Yeah, it is probably who he is. "F-ck anyone who doesn't like it." We'll see if he pays the price for that attitude and stupidity.

[KS circutguy]

Originally Posted by 63Banshee

It is fact that incidents like this can impact his civil case. He is stupid for doing anything intentionally that can be used against him. Yeah, it is probably who he is. "F-ck anyone who doesn't like it." We'll see if he pays the price for that attitude and stupidity.

I agree completely with your assessment.

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

Yet again, this is why Tony Stewart is his own man and really isn't concerned what all the sheeple think about his actions.

What happened in upstate NY was a complete accident that claimed someones life. There was no skirmish on track between Tony and Ward prior to the incident. Ward thought he had been wronged and set out to vindicate something that had no merit. Now Stewart is in Wards role thinking WTF did he hit me for and reacts. Tony however does not walk out into traffic for his retaliation. He stays inside the car and hammers the guy who ran into him. So if Ward was right in what he did, then Tony ought to be right in his reaction.

In the heat of the moment the furthest thing from Tony's thoughts were the accident with Ward Jr. He reacted automatically the same way someone reacts on track in an emergency situation. You don't sit there and contemplate what your going to do, there is not time to review in your mind, adrenalin rushes and instinct takes over.

One difference is there was actually physical contact between BK and Tony's car. In Ward's case there was no contact, he was POed that Tony slid up in front of him and took his line away causing him to hit the cushion and spin out as well as flatten the RR tire. He could have backed off since Ward was out of Tony's line of vision, he however chose not to and ended up spinning out. The car in the front has the right to use the track however he wants to and the car following the lead car has to act accordingly. If you chose not to get out of the throttle then you pay the price for not taking evasive action.

Tony has said in many interviews when there were on track skirmishes that he had that coming and expected he'd be paid back. This time he had no role whatsoever and wasn't expected to be run into while sitting stopped after the race concluded. In other words Tony owns up to having wronged someone else on track, unlike many people today he is accountable for his actions.

BK, in his interview said "Tony had every right to be POed, I'd have been POed too if I were Tony". That comes directly from the instigator himself. I see no reason that Hamlin and Kenseth weren't included in the disciplining actions. They were as reckless as the 2 that did get disciplined, as well as being detrimental to racing and NASCAR, IMO.

How many people on this post have said that the race Saturday night was exciting to watch. Looked like old times. Well ya can't have no action and drama without being detrimental to racing and NASCAR. So which is it going to be? Ya can't have it both ways, either it's going to be a throw down or they all act like sissies. From reactions in this post most want the fighting and drama. Not one mention about the cars all looking the same, and longing for the "good ole days of NASCAR".......LOL

Your incessant support of a man you've never met but who's intimate thought processes you claim to know continues to puzzle me.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by The Boss

Your incessant support of a man you've never met but who's intimate thought processes you claim to know continues to puzzle me.

I support him also. And I have met him multiple times.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 63Banshee

It is fact that incidents like this can impact his civil case. He is stupid for doing anything intentionally that can be used against him. Yeah, it is probably who he is. "F-ck anyone who doesn't like it." We'll see if he pays the price for that attitude and stupidity.

There is plenty on the record already for those that don't understand to attempt to confuse the issue. The two situations are apples and oranges. Tony wasn't under the influence of drugs and Tony didn't leave his car.

Those that choose to look at the facts of the actual incident in question already know and understand that there is no legitimate civil case.

[63Banshee]

The court system doesn't function in line with your thoughts here.

[The Champ]

Originally Posted by 63Banshee

The court system doesn't function in line with your thoughts here.

You are entitled to a jury of your peers. Tony should demand that all jurors be Sprint Car or NASCAR drivers.

Case closed.

[Alvin]

Breaking in on another TS Lovefest:

Originally Posted by Alvin

So...since 02.17.2013 the start of this thread, how many races have been won by OP subject ?
Edit & Answer: Zip, Nada, Zero! BTW - this is post #1695, that's all...

Same story w this post # 1855.

Cue Bob Falfa!

[63Banshee]

Originally Posted by The Champ

You are entitled to a jury of your peers. Tony should demand that all jurors be Sprint Car or NASCAR drivers.

He probably would demand something so ridiculous and throw a tantrum when he doesn't get it.

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by The Boss

Your incessant support of a man you've never met but who's intimate thought processes you claim to know continues to puzzle me.

FYI, I have met Tony Stewart at Attica Raceway Park, Attica Ohio in April of 2012 during the Allstar Sprints 2 day event. He was racing his sprint car on a Saturday evening that time and my wife and I had pit passes for that event.

Here's the finishing order for that event and you'll notice Tony finished 16th after starting dead last, 24th in the event. He didn't qualify well and is the reason for the poor staring position.

UNOH A-Main - (40 Laps)
1. O9-Craig Mintz[2]; 2. 19-Stevie Smith[5]; 3. W20-Greg Wilson [3]; 4. 2-Dale Blaney[7]; 5. 1X-Randy Hannagan[13]; 6. 83-Tim Shaffer[1]; 7. 63-Chad Kemanah[10]; 8. 24H-Bryan Sebetto[18]; 9. 16-Chris Andrews[19]; 10. D4-Danny Holtgraver[8]; 11. 54-Cap Henry[6]; 12. 9X-Brandon Martin[9]; 13. 5-Kasey Kahne[11]; 14. 9-Joey Saldana[15]; 15. 49-Brad Sweet[17]; 16. 14-Tony Stewart[24]; 17. 3-Pete Miller III[12]; 18. 2M-Dustin Daggett[4]; 19. 44W-Austin Wheatley[23]; 20. 60K-Jody Keegan[14]; 21. 70-Brad Haudenschild[21]; 22. 93-Sheldon Haudenschild[22]; 23. 53-Phil Gressman[20]; 24. 5R-Byron Reed[16]

If you had ever driven a dirt car you know that the reactions aren't thought out they are instinct. There is no time to think about reactions, they are there. Any dirt race car driver would tell you the same thing, they don't think about reactions to actions, it is second nature. The reaction time and precision of that reaction is what separates good drivers from great drivers.

If you go on any online blogs where drivers are commenting on the Ward Stewart incident their opinions are much different than the general public's comments, because they can identify with what actually happened on the race track drawing from their own experiences. Why? because they have actual seat time in dirt cars.

I assume you haven't driven a dirt car for any length of time nor do you frequent dirt racing venues, know drivers personally, track owners, or pit crew members. Any insight I express is from personal experience, not conjecture.

We also attend Eldora Speedway (Owned by Tony Stewart) frequently, matter of fact we were there this past Saturday night watching the once a year Sprintacular, consisting 410 All Star Sprints winged cars, Buckeye Outlaw Sprint Series 410 non winged cars, and the 360 NRA Sprint Invaders winged cars, so I missed watching Charlotte live.

You seem to forget, I drove dirt cars for 10 years, sponsored dirt cars, built them, and have been around dirt racing since I was 5 years old, that doesn't make me an expert, however I feel I have more experience and an understanding about dirt cars, and drivers than anyone else that is posting here.

During the Summer my wife and I attend about 20 Sprint car races a year and have for the last 10 years since I met her. Before we met, I attended every dirt race I could to the tune of 40-50 per year usually Friday and Saturday night every week.

Next week if my wife can get Thursday and Friday off, I will be using my K3500 as a push truck during the 3 day open wheeled championships at Atomic Speedway, Waverly OH. We will attend as spectators even if she can't get those 2 days off.

3 DAY OPEN WHEEL CHAMPIONSHIPS:
Sprints, Non Wing Sprints Unsanctioned with Modifieds


October 23- Sprint Practice, Non Wing Qualifying & Heats, Modified Qualifying & Heats


October 24- Sprint Qualifying & Heats, Non Wing B-Mains, Modified B-Mains


October 25- Sprint B-Mains & Feature $15,000 TO WIN, Non Wing Feature $5,000 TO WIN, Modified Feature $5,000 TO WIN



The view from the drivers seat, and the view from stands or the armchair in your living room are a lot different. If you've never sat in a dirt car during a race then you have no idea of what happens and how quickly it happens.

My first time in a dirt car as a driver was at the age of 21. I had exposure to all of it except driving. The events happen quickly and it at first is scary, then you begin to get a rhythm and it gets more enjoyable. I won the first heat race I ever ran, and did poorly in the feature race. That first year I had 2 wins and 11 wins the second year.

IMO, the only thing better, than dirt racing, is dirt racing with a Pontiac.

It's kind of like the saying Jeep owners have. "It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand". It's a dirt track thing, you wouldn't understand.

To sum it up Chris, until you sit in a car during a race or haven't spent many many hours in and around dirt tracks you don't have any idea what it's like. If you've run a season then you'll have a pretty good handle on what it's like.

[Alvin]

Can't get enough TS Love Fest & "Just Gotta Have More?"

"Pit Lizards"/"My Parents Are Afraid"/"That's Pretty Much All I Care About"*
http://larrybrownsports.com/car-raci...ves-women/2415

*Question is: How does DaniCant fit with that self described TS Love Fest Mantra?

[The Champ]

What kind of person continually quotes their own posts in order to say absolutely nothing?