[S/st 54]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Jason,
Are you talking about a small time drag race, or how to get more people to watch the pay per view of the next UFC?

Stan

For starters just look at the amount of views on this thread 36,000+

[bruce driggers]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Yea, that is one trash talkin mofo!

There is a difference Stevie backs his up !!

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by bruce driggers

There is a difference Stevie backs his up !!

... BINGO...

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by S/st 54

For starters just look at the amount of views on this thread 36,000+

Jason,
This is not a partition which people sign once and are done with it. How many posts have you made in this thread? How many times have you looked at this thread just to see what someone else has posted. That 36000+ views is meaningless in trying to know how many different people have viewed this BS.

Stan

[Elarson]

This thread is like a car crash on the highway. I keep checking in to look, but I don't want to be involved.

Eric

[GTO Dan]

Originally Posted by bruce driggers

There is a difference Stevie backs his up !!

Back it up or not it is part of the game for many, but not all, in heads-up and grudge racing. Some benign and some not so much.

[cgeise]

Just a quick thought on this - I have watched the CV-1 "DEBATE" go on for what -- 6 or 7 years. There is one way to end it all - put up or shut up -- And by that I mean put a product out there that will work better than all the rest of the stuff your comparing to. And as stated before, don't putt all your eggs in one basket - ONE motor that has been worked and reworked and reworked for ever to make it competitive is NOT what I am talking about. Success on many levels will quiet the banter - right ??

[7T2]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Just a quick thought on this - I have watched the CV-1 "DEBATE" go on for what -- 6 or 7 years. There is one way to end it all - put up or shut up -- And by that I mean put a product out there that will work better than all the rest of the stuff your comparing to. And as stated before, don't putt all your eggs in one basket - ONE motor that has been worked and reworked and reworked for ever to make it competitive is NOT what I am talking about. Success on many levels will quiet the banter - right ??

history has shown the answer to that is no...

almost every application cv-1's have replaced a different cylinder head, the car has picked up on the track, but it goes unnoticed

..the goal posts keep moving- lmao

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Just a quick thought on this - I have watched the CV-1 "DEBATE" go on for what -- 6 or 7 years. There is one way to end it all - put up or shut up -- And by that I mean put a product out there that will work better than all the rest of the stuff your comparing to. And as stated before, don't putt all your eggs in one basket - ONE motor that has been worked and reworked and reworked for ever to make it competitive is NOT what I am talking about. Success on many levels will quiet the banter - right ??

... well, i'm not sure who's engine you're referencing with the whole (worked, reworked, and reworked forever) part, but we don't have an engine that fits that description at all, Fulton is our top dog right now, so i'm assuming that's the one you're meaning, but his engine is the same set up as it was when it was first built, same cam, valvetrain, manifold, carbs, bottom end etc ... even the N20 system is the same, there have some set backs and bugs for sure, but nothing that fits the reworked forever statement, and the eggs in one basket doesn't fit either, Fulton is a customer that wanted to build a CV-1 N20 engine that makes more power than his old combo, and that's exactly what has been done, certainly not all our eggs per say ...

... now where i do agree with you 100% is the (Success on many Levels) part of your post, which is exactly what we've been doing, and i know the first thing many will say or bring up the whole N/A Max Effort type build, which obviously has not happen yet, but the issue there is there have been a bunch of customers that have directly compared their CV-1's to other cylinder heads, and on these customers cars the Tigers, Edelbrock RPM's, KRE D-Ports & High-Ports have all been outrun on customers cars with before and after testing, the real problem is for some reason when people make suggestions like yours, these customers before & after testing has somehow been forgotten, no matter how much we try to remind people of it, and the notion nothing has happened in 7 years now, which honestly makes no sense to me, so the success on many levels has been happening for quite some time now and Fulton's car is certainly a part of that, in fact Fulton's performance at Norwalk which was a 7.62 @ 174 which came after lifting close to 200ft short as we'd made the low cylinder even less happy, previous run was approaching 181mph, but there are others that are trying to convince everyone that Fulton's car is not much faster if at all ...

[cgeise]

ok -- I know there are two sides to every story - can you list the different combos that have had back to back with Tigers. Hi ports ect and shown an improvement all else being equal ??? And lets be fair --give us all the info , good and bad as you see it.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... BINGO...

Hurry up and get your car together!

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by cgeise

ok -- I know there are two sides to every story - can you list the different combos that have had back to back with Tigers. Hi ports ect and shown an improvement all else being equal ??? And lets be fair --give us all the info , good and bad as you see it.

Fulton did a test prior to this current build... on his old motor with Gaby wideports vs CV1's... he made more power and was impressed enough to move on and build the combo he has now. That info got trashed and buried no different than any other CV post. Dig long enough you'll find it.

Its been quite a few years...and quite a few guys who swapped from tigers or wideports and went faster with cv1's Curt, but every one of them got critiqued on BS vs looking at the build for what it was to begin with and the improvements found.

As far as development... Bill developed the ports in Fultons motor years ago. There are smaller and bigger ports developed a long time ago. Some in use, some in heads going on builds started years ago with time and money in short supply to finish. Latest CV1 castings allow some very serious ports with no welding needed vs the older castings... Not many racers out there that could make full use of these yet...but why is that?

Yeah I know...just a cheerleader... why believe me? I took the time to find out about these heads and took the time to learn some things about heads in general that I needed to know.

Also got to find out Bill is actually a top level head porter...not just my praise...his boss(Sonny) told me personally.
Darin Morgan referred him to Sonny. The former head porter at Sonnys retired and passed the baton to him vs a few others competing for the job. He was impressed.
You simply dont get and keep those jobs if you're not good, regardless who you know.
First set of "Bill" heads on one of Sonnys team cars #1qualifier 1st meet of season and big improvements over previous bests for the team... but if you believe the BS thats out there...he's just a hack.

One other thing Curt... The CV1 wasnt and isnt intended to be an all out race head...Marcella and others have said it and I've said it. Its a great sportsman head that can cover a very wide range and do very well in the right builder/racers hands. Need a Race head beyond CV1 capability a billet CV2 can be made.

In case you missed it... Fultons passes at Norwalk were on DOT's not his slicks. At Bowling Green earlier this year he managed to find a few mph over KRE's NA dragster. KRE was quicker though. Dick also won his street class at Brainerd against stiff competion from the Chevy, Ford and Mopar guys. The heads never came off all season. Includes dyno and track testing.

[slowbird]

Who went from Tiger's to CV1? Only 1 person i know of compared the CV1 to HP heads and that person is currently running HP heads, so i assume the end result of that testing wasnt in the CV1 favor. Any NA CV1 running 8s weighing over 3000lbs?

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

The heads never came off all season. Includes dyno and track testing.

How did the pistons get fixed/changed then?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Fulton did a test prior to this current build... on his old motor with Gaby wideports vs CV1's...

What ET's did Dick Fulton's car run with Gaby wideports?

[cgeise]

Bruce thanks for the info --I will say, one of the points that kinda crawls up my ass is the comment - IT JUST A STREET HEAD - yet there are those mouthing off all the time how it is better than X,Y and Z and how dare they be challenged -- and then when its run up on a higher end combo and it turns out just so so - the street head deal comes back up -- hope you see my point. One other point -- as long as I am nit picking, if the original version was so good, why all the different ports and there variation ??? it brings out more questions than answers - I know everyone "develops" and improves things-- but it makes people go - hmmmmmm?

[Hooter]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Who went from Tiger's to CV1? Only 1 person i know of compared the CV1 to HP heads and that person is currently running HP heads, so i assume the end result of that testing wasnt in the CV1 favor. Any NA CV1 running 8s weighing over 3000lbs?

Larry Quinn's been running 8.70's for a while at I think 2975 or a little heavier.

[BADDTA]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Bruce thanks for the info --I will say, one of the points that kinda crawls up my ass is the comment - IT JUST A STREET HEAD - yet there are those mouthing off all the time how it is better than X,Y and Z and how dare they be challenged -- and then when its run up on a higher end combo and it turns out just so so - the street head deal comes back up -- hope you see my point. One other point -- as long as I am nit picking, if the original version was so good, why all the different ports and there variation ??? it brings out more questions than answers - I know everyone "develops" and improves things-- but it makes people go - hmmmmmm?

Your not buying them so why do you care? A lot of input and opinion on them from you?? Just asking...

Brian

[65nss4spdGTO]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Who went from Tiger's to CV1? Only 1 person i know of compared the CV1 to HP heads and that person is currently running HP heads, so i assume the end result of that testing wasnt in the CV1 favor. Any NA CV1 running 8s weighing over 3000lbs?

I know you know this already, not an 8 second pass, but the car will run well into the 8's at 3200lbs.

Here is the time slip from the SECOND PASS on the car at Norwalk. 5.780 in the 1/8 equates to what in the 1/4? Estimated weight on the car 3150lbs.

Our fuel issues kept us from being the first NA 3000+lb car with a 8 second ET.

This is a 511ci build started over three years ago with heads that were ported in 2011 (5 years ago), not max effort but a pretty good start with much more to come.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
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[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

How did the pistons get fixed/changed then?

Before the 2016 season started