[slowbird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Before the 2016 season started

Bruce you said dyno or track time, they broke a cam key in the car, how did they fix that without pulling the heads? They pinched a ring before or at Norwalk, how they fixing that? Roll your eyes all you want the heads have been off that engine in 2016.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I know you know this already, not an 8 second pass, but the car will run well into the 8's at 3200lbs.

Here is the time slip from the SECOND PASS on the car at Norwalk. 5.780 in the 1/8 equates to what in the 1/4? Estimated weight on the car 3150lbs.

Our fuel issues kept us from being the first NA 3000+lb car with a 8 second ET.

This is a 511ci build started over three years ago with heads that were ported in 2011 (5 years ago), not max effort but a pretty good start with much more to come.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

Less talk and more racing, lol. Good luck, next time out you should get there.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Hurry up and get your car together!

... what car ??? ... i sold the Camaro if that's what you mean and i'm a head porter Jack, my customer's build the car and go down the track, just the way it should be ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by cgeise

ok -- I know there are two sides to every story - can you list the different combos that have had back to back with Tigers. Hi ports ect and shown an improvement all else being equal ??? And lets be fair --give us all the info , good and bad as you see it.

... thank you for asking Curt, i'll try and condense as best i can ...

1) Robin Robert's Fully ported Tiger's with a tunnel ram went 10.0's on motor in his N20 prepped car, with out of the box CV-1's the car went 9.70's right off the trailer ...

2) Kelvin Poe's DB prepped HighPort combo went high 8.30's and with Calvin's CV-1 top end it went 8.0's first weekend out ...

3) Ken Keefer's 300cfm E-Head combo ran 10.50's before and went 10.0's with his out of the box CV-1 top end ...

4) Bruce Drigger's CV-1 top end picked up 1.5 tenths in the 1/8th over his CNC'd E-Head top end ...

5) Jeff Rana changed from his CV-1 top end to a High Port top end and the car was faster with his CV-1 top end ...

6) Smart Buy (PY User) 3900lb 428c.i. pump gas combo went from 12.80's to 12.20's with his out of the box CV-1 top end over his ported iron heads ...

7) Clay Phillips ran high 9.30's with his Dan Whitmore RA-IV top end and improved to 9.14's with his CV-1 top end ... stock block combo ...

8) Larry Quinn with his formerly owned Langer Wenzler heads ran high 8.95's and improved to 8.70's with his CV-1 top end ... 481c.i. combo ...

9) Brian Hedrick with his ProCharged BES ported E-Heads ran high 8.60's and went low 8.40's with his as cast CV-1 top end, and picked up 140hp on the dyno also ...

10) Randy B. (BIR Minnesota Racer) with his 505c.i. combo picked up 2.4 tenths and 4.6 mph over his KRE heads right off the trailor ...

... now there are others that are not a direct before and after comparison, meaning these customers built the car with a CV-1 combo in it to start, just some are Mike McCarty which runs high 9.60's in true pump gas street trim at 3400lbs, and Torry Rockwood at 3360lbs runs 9.0's at 149mph with his CV-1 combo shifting at only 6900rpm also, and Robert Brown with his street driven 2nd gen TransAm Turbo car ran high 8.60's at almost 160 mph ...

... so to assume the CV-1 program has been idle for seven years, is well, simply not true, these heads have been doing work for some time now, and there are others that i did not name on my list, but i am trying to condense here ...

... and i think Dick Fulton certainly deserves mention here as his combo has been showing serious HP at his 3140lb weight N20 combo, as he clicked off 180+ mph at Norwalk this year in very hot ugly weather, and the last run we made when he lifted very early, posted up a 7.62 at only 173mph, with the previous run posting the 180+mph, which is very obvious his car certainly has more left in the tank, and to think his old E-Head combo would do the same in that weather, with that tight convertor, and a hurt cylinder, and lifting that early, is just simply retarded, that combo would have struggled to stay in the 7's this year at Norwalk, and those are Dick Fulton's words ...

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Bruce thanks for the info --I will say, one of the points that kinda crawls up my ass is the comment - IT JUST A STREET HEAD - yet there are those mouthing off all the time how it is better than X,Y and Z and how dare they be challenged -- and then when its run up on a higher end combo and it turns out just so so - the street head deal comes back up -- hope you see my point. One other point -- as long as I am nit picking, if the original version was so good, why all the different ports and there variation ??? it brings out more questions than answers - I know everyone "develops" and improves things-- but it makes people go - hmmmmmm?

Its not an all out race head and was never intended to be. The original intent was an affordable alternative to a ported wideport and fill the gap between a std wideport and a basic tiger!

A race head for a Pontiac is pretty much a well developed Warp 6 or Hemi or a billet. So... its a "street head" just as much as RA5's, tigers, hi-ports, wideports, eheads, D-ports etc.. The more you develop them the closer they get to being a race head and quite true when heavily developed they are better suited for track use than street.

There have been plenty of non CV1 "high end" combos that never proved there hype either. Plenty of 800-900 hp Tiger combos compared to the few over 1100 hp... yet we have Stockers and Super Stockers flying despite their restrictions.
There is so much more to a build than just the parts used. Few take the time to find out what makes the difference. Worse yet engine builders and head porters make suggestions and customers want to do something different instead! Yet they expect good or better results not doing what was suggested.

CV1 builds are constantly under the microscope. Most the others pretty much get a free pass.
Was a time Slowbird was doing his hi-port build and was under someones microscope. He was treated quite unfairly(which mystifies me why he has generally treated the cv1 camp the way he does, when NONE were involved in the bashin during his ordeal)
Ask Mike Leech about things that were going on behind the scenes when he pulled big numbers from his E-head combo. Established "Princes" werent happy with his team doing what they said couldnt be done. Surprised they didnt come up with a cease and desist order!
Most these same princes are same folks who told us what the CV1 could NEVER do yet has.
Curt I understand your caution...especially with the last set of heads your not happy with. If you talk with Fulton I think you are going to find he entered into CV1's with caution and found out for himself what was true or not. Dont forget same guy did his wideports as your duds. (not to mention some high dollar billets that havent shown the hype)

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Its not an all out race head and was never intended to be. The original intent was an affordable alternative to a ported wideport and fill the gap between a std wideport and a basic tiger!

A race head for a Pontiac is pretty much a well developed Warp 6 or Hemi or a billet. So... its a "street head" just as much as RA5's, tigers, hi-ports, wideports, eheads, D-ports etc.. The more you develop them the closer they get to being a race head and quite true when heavily developed they are better suited for track use than street.

There have been plenty of non CV1 "high end" combos that never proved there hype either. Plenty of 800-900 hp Tiger combos compared to the few over 1100 hp... yet we have Stockers and Super Stockers flying despite their restrictions.
There is so much more to a build than just the parts used. Few take the time to find out what makes the difference. Worse yet engine builders and head porters make suggestions and customers want to do something different instead! Yet they expect good or better results not doing what was suggested.

CV1 builds are constantly under the microscope. Most the others pretty much get a free pass.
Was a time Slowbird was doing his hi-port build and was under someones microscope. He was treated quite unfairly(which mystifies me why he has generally treated the cv1 camp the way he does, when NONE were involved in the bashin during his ordeal)
Ask Mike Leech about things that were going on behind the scenes when he pulled big numbers from his E-head combo. Established "Princes" werent happy with his team doing what they said couldnt be done. Surprised they didnt come up with a cease and desist order!
Most these same princes are same folks who told us what the CV1 could NEVER do yet has.
Curt I understand your caution...especially with the last set of heads your not happy with. If you talk with Fulton I think you are going to find he entered into CV1's with caution and found out for himself what was true or not. Dont forget same guy did his wideports as your duds. (not to mention some high dollar billets that havent shown the hype)

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[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by Hooter

Larry Quinn's been running 8.70's for a while at I think 2975 or a little heavier.

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[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by BADDTA

Your not buying them so why do you care? A lot of input and opinion on them from you?? Just asking...

Brian

... but maybe he's on the fence ??? ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Who went from Tiger's to CV1? Only 1 person i know of compared the CV1 to HP heads and that person is currently running HP heads, so i assume the end result of that testing wasnt in the CV1 favor. Any NA CV1 running 8s weighing over 3000lbs?

... there have been two customers that tested against HighPorts (see list) and you assumed wrong to the CV-1 test results ...

... Torry RockWood is going to be in the 8's i believe as he's already running 9.0's at 3360lbs ...

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Bruce you said dyno or track time, they broke a cam key in the car, how did they fix that without pulling the heads? They pinched a ring before or at Norwalk, how they fixing that? Roll your eyes all you want the heads have been off that engine in 2016.

Pretty sure the cam key was 2015...but maybe it was the start of 2016... I didnt mark my calendar. Quit being so anal and I'll avoid being sarcastic with you.
Point being that between cam key and last pass at Norwalk the heads never came off. There was alot of hard passes in between. No gasket issues and lash that stayed the same throughout. 180+mph tuned to keep a dying cylinder happy...173mph when the cylinder was without compression. Seems like you and a few otrhers were hoping for a meltdown instead.
I said this in another post Brian...I dont get you at all. Myself and as best I'm aware of, anyone else in the cv camp never gave you shct when you were being beat up during your highport build. But from day 1 with CV1"s you have been ridiculous. Nit pic anything and everything... so whats your goal? Do you have one or are you just ..........?

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

What ET's did Dick Fulton's car run with Gaby wideports?

He has posted it but you can search it. I dont have the numbers memorized...

Gaby wideports were on old motor and he tested Cv1's against them.
Dont know if he bothered to race it or not. I think the dyno told him all he needed to know... He used the same dyno and operator...same dyno as current combo.

If you have the time to search for it he does have a post or thread on this also.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... thank you for asking Curt, i'll try and condense as best i can ...

1) Robin Robert's Fully ported Tiger's with a tunnel ram went 10.0's on motor in his N20 prepped car, with out of the box CV-1's the car went 9.70's right off the trailer ...

2) Kelvin Poe's DB prepped HighPort combo went high 8.30's and with Calvin's CV-1 top end it went 8.0's first weekend out ...

3) Ken Keefer's 300cfm E-Head combo ran 10.50's before and went 10.0's with his out of the box CV-1 top end ...

4) Bruce Drigger's CV-1 top end picked up 1.5 tenths in the 1/8th over his CNC'd E-Head top end ...

5) Jeff Rana changed from his CV-1 top end to a High Port top end and the car was faster with his CV-1 top end ...

6) Smart Buy (PY User) 3900lb 428c.i. pump gas combo went from 12.80's to 12.20's with his out of the box CV-1 top end over his ported iron heads ...

7) Clay Phillips ran high 9.30's with his Dan Whitmore RA-IV top end and improved to 9.14's with his CV-1 top end ... stock block combo ...

8) Larry Quinn with his formerly owned Langer Wenzler heads ran high 8.95's and improved to 8.70's with his CV-1 top end ... 481c.i. combo ...

9) Brian Hedrick with his ProCharged BES ported E-Heads ran high 8.60's and went low 8.40's with his as cast CV-1 top end, and picked up 140hp on the dyno also ...

10) Randy B. (BIR Minnesota Racer) with his 505c.i. combo picked up 2.4 tenths and 4.6 mph over his KRE heads right off the trailor ...

... now there are others that are not a direct before and after comparison, meaning these customers built the car with a CV-1 combo in it to start, just some are Mike McCarty which runs high 9.60's in true pump gas street trim at 3400lbs, and Torry Rockwood at 3360lbs runs 9.0's at 149mph with his CV-1 combo shifting at only 6900rpm also, and Robert Brown with his street driven 2nd gen TransAm Turbo car ran high 8.60's at almost 160 mph ...

... so to assume the CV-1 program has been idle for seven years, is well, simply not true, these heads have been doing work for some time now, and there are others that i did not name on my list, but i am trying to condense here ...

... and i think Dick Fulton certainly deserves mention here as his combo has been showing serious HP at his 3140lb weight N20 combo, as he clicked off 180+ mph at Norwalk this year in very hot ugly weather, and the last run we made when he lifted very early, posted up a 7.62 at only 173mph, with the previous run posting the 180+mph, which is very obvious his car certainly has more left in the tank, and to think his old E-Head combo would do the same in that weather, with that tight convertor, and a hurt cylinder, and lifting that early, is just simply retarded, that combo would have struggled to stay in the 7's this year at Norwalk, and those are Dick Fulton's words ...

... and I forgot to add, Robert Brown's TransAm runs on pump gas, and it weighs 4031lbs ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Pretty sure the cam key was 2015...but maybe it was the start of 2016... I didnt mark my calendar. Quit being so anal and I'll avoid being sarcastic with you.
Point being that between cam key and last pass at Norwalk the heads never came off. There was alot of hard passes in between. No gasket issues and lash that stayed the same throughout. 180+mph tuned to keep a dying cylinder happy...173mph when the cylinder was without compression. Seems like you and a few otrhers were hoping for a meltdown instead.
I said this in another post Brian...I dont get you at all. Myself and as best I'm aware of, anyone else in the cv camp never gave you shct when you were being beat up during your highport build. But from day 1 with CV1"s you have been ridiculous. Nit pic anything and everything... so whats your goal? Do you have one or are you just ..........?

I don't have a problem with the head, never did. Its the way you guys spin the facts or lack there of. I haven't said anything in a very long time in a CV1 thread because i could careless about it (i didnt say anything about the head in this thread either, just questioning you, guess i shouldnt have done that). I just think it was odd you stating the heads have never been off when Bill has posted then have been some issues. I guess you meant to say that the heads didn't come off in between issues.

[john marcella]

They are all massive disappointments. Just sayin.
Working on a pontiac head right now. Mapping things out and right away doing the WTF. Just another swing and a miss.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

He has posted it but you can search it. I dont have the numbers memorized...

Gaby wideports were on old motor and he tested Cv1's against them.
Dont know if he bothered to race it or not. I think the dyno told him all he needed to know... He used the same dyno and operator...same dyno as current combo.

If you have the time to search for it he does have a post or thread on this also.

Thanks Bruce, all I'm finding is his test on the stock block where he tested his wide-ports back to back with a pair of CV1'S.... is this the test you're referring to? I'm just curious to compare the numbers because it's been mentioned here before that the CV1'S went faster than his Gaby heads.

[GTOGEORGE]

Seriously all this head sh_t is stupid, I mean how much could you really gain on a set of heads? Unless you're going from a stock set of factory heads to a balls out set of whatevery you'll pick up a lot but maybe just maybe you'll pick up around a tenth and how much HP is a tenth in the said 7 sec. Car...........if you're lucky (in a 7 sec. ride)! GOSH some people really need to get a life specially over on the Gach Pontiac board! I call it the Gach board because he's the only one that ever post over there and if you piss him off with the TRUTH he'll kick you off a no BALLS move but whatever!!! So basically he went a tenth quicker in a car that was 100 lbs heavier no t even counting the weather conditions but really it doesn't make a difference.
FYI.......comparing one car to another at different tracks and different weather conditions is all BS anyways!! JMO!!



GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Seriously all this head sh_t is stupid, I mean how much could you really gain on a set of heads? Unless you're going from a stock set of factory heads to a balls out set of whatevery you'll pick up a lot but maybe just maybe you'll pick up around a tenth and how much HP is a tenth in the said 7 sec. Car...........if you're lucky (in a 7 sec. ride)! GOSH some people really need to get a life specially over on the Gach Pontiac board! I call it the Gach board because he's the only one that ever post over there and if you piss him off with the TRUTH he'll kick you off a no BALLS move but whatever!!! So basically he went a tenth quicker in a car that was 100 lbs heavier no t even counting the weather conditions but really it doesn't make a difference.
FYI.......comparing one car to another at different tracks and different weather conditions is all BS anyways!! JMO!!

GTO George

GTOGeorge,
When someone is running competitively in a heads up class, you have no idea what that .1 of a second can mean for them. Or how much they will pay to get that .1 of a second improvement in et.

Stan

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

GTOGeorge,
When someone is running competitively in a heads up class, you have no idea what that .1 of a second can mean for them. Or how much they will pay to get that .1 of a second improvement in et.

Stan

Yes I know that but some people are making it out that a tenth is nothing, from a set of heads pretty damn good but unless it's same day, same track, same weather who really knows!



GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Yes I know that but some people are making it out that a tenth is nothing, from a set of heads pretty damn good but unless it's same day, same track, same weather who really knows!



GTO George

GTOGeorge,
I am sure none of those people have never run a 7.71 and have no idea what it takes at that level to step up to a 7.62.

Stan

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Its not an all out race head and was never intended to be. The original intent was an affordable alternative to a ported wideport and fill the gap between a std wideport and a basic tiger!

A race head for a Pontiac is pretty much a well developed Warp 6 or Hemi or a billet. So... its a "street head" just as much as RA5's, tigers, hi-ports, wideports, eheads, D-ports etc.. The more you develop them the closer they get to being a race head and quite true when heavily developed they are better suited for track use than street.

There have been plenty of non CV1 "high end" combos that never proved there hype either. Plenty of 800-900 hp Tiger combos compared to the few over 1100 hp... yet we have Stockers and Super Stockers flying despite their restrictions.
There is so much more to a build than just the parts used. Few take the time to find out what makes the difference. Worse yet engine builders and head porters make suggestions and customers want to do something different instead! Yet they expect good or better results not doing what was suggested.

CV1 builds are constantly under the microscope. Most the others pretty much get a free pass.
Was a time Slowbird was doing his hi-port build and was under someones microscope. He was treated quite unfairly(which mystifies me why he has generally treated the cv1 camp the way he does, when NONE were involved in the bashin during his ordeal)
Ask Mike Leech about things that were going on behind the scenes when he pulled big numbers from his E-head combo. Established "Princes" werent happy with his team doing what they said couldnt be done. Surprised they didnt come up with a cease and desist order!
Most these same princes are same folks who told us what the CV1 could NEVER do yet has.
Curt I understand your caution...especially with the last set of heads your not happy with. If you talk with Fulton I think you are going to find he entered into CV1's with caution and found out for himself what was true or not. Dont forget same guy did his wideports as your duds. (not to mention some high dollar billets that havent shown the hype)

A set of Gaby E heads with a single four on my car at 3460# was the first to go 7.94@170 mph 4 years ago when Robin Roberts with his CV1s at 3300# was burning up Pistons trying to get in the 7s.
That's just the fact right there!

And Ken Keefer took his CV1s off and went 9.70s with a 340 cfm E head from SD over his CV1 combo that went 10.00s.
Just the facts.

And comparing Brian Hedricks E head combo to his CV1 combo isn't even a close comparison.
And don't worry Bruce I will show you what those Billets will do, just keep running your mouth!