[slowbird]

Hell why not.
Kelvin Poe made around 150hp more with his cv-1 engine vs his HP engine. Car picked up .2-.3 and 3mph? Would you be happy with that Bill? Sounds like you find it to be an impressive gain.
Again you brought his car into this discussion not me.

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Hell why not.

Again you brought his car into this discussion not me.

Open up your heart and let the hate out!

[PAUL K]

Group hug???

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Open up your heart and let the hate out!

Lol! No hate, just saying i didn't find it impressive like Bill did. I know when i gained 150hp my car ran .5+ quicker and 10mph. Thought i should point out why i felt that way.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Hell why not.
Kelvin Poe made around 150hp more with his cv-1 engine vs his HP engine. Car picked up .2-.3 and 3mph? Would you be happy with that Bill? Sounds like you find it to be an impressive gain.
Again you brought his car into this discussion not me.

Again, there is more to a race car than the heads. A bad converter alone could do what you describe. Why do you assume it was the heads? If the engine MADE 150 hp more, it sure sounds like it was something else. This is amazing to me. Is there a 101 class for racing here? Sure seems like some folks need to start back at the beginning.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Lol! No hate, just saying i didn't find it impressive like Bill did. I know when i gained 150hp my car ran .5+ quicker and 10mph. Thought i should point out why i felt that way.

TTB is very well versed in expected gains from increased power. All of his CV1 combos have made more power than their predecessor.

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Hell why not.
Kelvin Poe made around 150hp more with his cv-1 engine vs his HP engine. Car picked up .2-.3 and 3mph? Would you be happy with that Bill? Sounds like you find it to be an impressive gain.
Again you brought his car into this discussion not me.

But bolting on 150 more HP isnt a good gain??? There are plenty of reasons any car might not realize its potential at the track. Doesnt mean the motor is at fault.

[65nss4spdGTO]

I'm not impressed with the 1290 either, didn't show a pony over the 11xx that was in the next lane.

Maybe in time it will.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Again, there is more to a race car than the heads. A bad converter alone could do what you describe. Why do you assume it was the heads? If the engine MADE 150 hp more, it sure sounds like it was something else. This is amazing to me. Is there a 101 class for racing here? Sure seems like some folks need to start back at the beginning.

I never once said it had to do with the heads. Please point out where i said it did??
If you're going to use a car for an example wouldn't you choose one that is sorted out??
Agian i didn't bring his car into this Bill did. I personally would select a car that didn't have issues and backed up the dyno numbers to bolster my argument, wouldn't you?

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Hell why not.
Kelvin Poe made around 150hp more with his cv-1 engine vs his HP engine. Car picked up .2-.3 and 3mph? Would you be happy with that Bill? Sounds like you find it to be an impressive gain.
Again you brought his car into this discussion not me.

... how much RPM are you turning Brian ?? ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

It's always a pleasure talking to you Bill, lol

... like wise sir ...

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Again, there is more to a race car than the heads. A bad converter alone could do what you describe. Why do you assume it was the heads? If the engine MADE 150 hp more, it sure sounds like it was something else. This is amazing to me. Is there a 101 class for racing here? Sure seems like some folks need to start back at the beginning.

... exactly, making a change to a larger CSA cylinder will often times comes with many changes needed to get all of the power to the ground, but most would already know this ...

... doe's one really think that a change to something with near this level of CSA (see pic below) that the car will not require changes to fully realize it's potential ?????? ...

... wake up people, wake up ... leech has tried to tell you guys over and over but most don't listen ... CSA changes everything ...

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... exactly, making a change to a larger CSA cylinder will often times comes with many changes needed to get all of the power to the ground, but most would already know this ...

Im running exact same converter, exact same gear as i did when i made 150hp less horsepower. Zero changes and car picked up .5+ and 10mph. Maybe we did something wrong when we gained the 150hp??

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

TTB is very well versed in expected gains from increased power. All of his CV1 combos have made more power than their predecessor.

So who lost power over previous heads Paul? Do tell.

BTW you deserve a point of credit this time...at least you dropped a name.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Im running exact same converter, exact same gear as i did when i made 150hp less horsepower. Zero changes and car picked up .5+ and 10mph. Maybe we did something wrong when we gained the 150hp??

... how much CSA at the entry, at the 2nd choke point, at the apex, and at the convergence point in the bowl are you running, and what size valve are you running ??? ...

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

I never once said it had to do with the heads. Please point out where i said it did??
If you're going to use a car for an example wouldn't you choose one that is sorted out??
Agian i didn't bring his car into this Bill did. I personally would select a car that didn't have issues and backed up the dyno numbers to bolster my argument, wouldn't you?

#1...you ACT like it has something to do with the heads. Especially since the context is a change to CV-1 heads

#2...he's used various examples, from ones that are still sorting themselves out to ones that are. A 150 hp increase is an increase. If the car only gained a little in ET and mph its pretty obvious to consider looking beyond the heads.

#3...Yes, Bill brought the car up. A 150 hp increase by bolting on a set of heads is pretty impressive. Period. If the car isnt sorted yet...well again, its the car not the heads most likely.

I really think you like this argument enough that you are willing to ignore what others see. MOST people would be pretty happy with such a gain. But I guess you wouldn't be.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Im running exact same converter, exact same gear as i did when i made 150hp less horsepower. Zero changes and car picked up .5+ and 10mph. Maybe we did something wrong when we gained the 150hp??

... what did you run at Norwalk ??? ...

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

So who lost power over previous heads Paul? Do tell.

BTW you deserve a point of credit this time...at least you dropped a name.

Please reread my post....then explain what you are asking.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Im running exact same converter, exact same gear as i did when i made 150hp less horsepower. Zero changes and car picked up .5+ and 10mph. Maybe we did something wrong when we gained the 150hp??

Once again you miss the point. IF your converter were slipping.....YOUR converter that is....you might not have gained .5 and 10 mph. But I guess you would have blamed it on the heads.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I'm not impressed with the 1290 either, didn't show a pony over the 11xx that was in the next lane.

Maybe in time it will.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

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