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#121
02-05-2017, 06:33 PM
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It's best to do your own due diligence.
Google it, research it if you don't understand it. 
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#122
02-05-2017, 06:52 PM
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One example:
From HO Racing book a graph showing the CR change percentage: (nothing to do with me so don't shoot the messenger again) CR Change 
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#123
02-05-2017, 07:51 PM
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Not very easy is it John. Same deal for percentage changes with 16 to 1 engines and 930 hp engines. Bet Craig would have killed for a 930 HP engine when he and Kern wrote the book. So then you have to go with real data like single cylinder engine testing where a full sweep of the engine's compression ratios is done and the power levels documented. It was a basic Generic question and we gave generic answers, so how about we call this one a TIE? So what data did you base your calculator program on? Smith, Vizard, Speed Talk? Tom V.
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#124
02-05-2017, 09:48 PM
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Tom, ask Craig maybe?
Really if you knew anything about it, you would know that basically anything more than 13:1 CR the advantage to gaining HP is vastly dropping. LOOK at the curve! It's starts going straight up almost at 13:1, continue the graph and the percentage is practically nil. (from 13 on up) Ask any of the big guys, I didn't decide this. Just admit you are wrong. 
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#125
02-05-2017, 10:42 PM
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My Comp engine was 15.6-1 for a reason. In an engine with ports limited by CSA compression is way to get that power back.
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#126
02-05-2017, 10:48 PM
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It would be nice to know cam spec also to compare to to other builds.I just dynoed my 541 and it makes over 900 on pump gas with around a 700 lift cam.And its not a happy dyno my buddy dyned there went to the track and showed 15-20 horse more.
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#127
02-05-2017, 10:52 PM
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#128
02-05-2017, 10:59 PM
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A lot of comp does sound nice.
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#129
02-05-2017, 11:02 PM
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Mikes was 18-1, he could have probably run that thing on diesel. Highest I have ever heard of. What is the highest you can run BTW ?
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#130
02-05-2017, 11:05 PM
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#131
02-05-2017, 11:44 PM
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13ish-1comp ratio thinking is from when engines were small, chambers were big and required big domes. The big domes were the limiting issue. Things have changed since, most noticeably engine size and secondly but more importantly chamber volume.
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#132
02-06-2017, 12:22 AM
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#133
02-06-2017, 01:52 AM
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Heads I will have by Friday,Lil Jacks old E heads, then Gachs, now mine were run by Gach at 12-1 with 93. Made 880 with off the shelf Comp cam. Said it rattled a little bit. But about put it on the bumper, got off, still ran 147 MPH.
Fresh from Gabbys shop, 404, Ti valves. Going to be fun. Mine will be a true Ca 91 octane engine. 11-1, 11.5 max. But I can make a easy 800+ or 1000 if I want to turn up the CR and cam. |
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#134
02-06-2017, 08:43 AM
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NASCAR has been running engines for many years with high compression ratios because the fuel is a spec fuel, the tuners are very sharp, and high compression gives better F.E.
Tom V.
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#135
02-06-2017, 09:30 AM
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Why is 18 to1 the limit ? Is it different then a turbo with high boost? I have a motor with 43 psi going through it. What to do think that compression is ? way more the 18 to 1 for sure.. and it responds with more power every time the pressure is turned up..
I think Mike was on to something.. RIP Mike.. .
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#136
02-06-2017, 10:26 AM
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Charlie, while the math says 18-1, cam events greatly effect the actual. In reality there only a window of time where vol eff is around and/or above 100%. That's what John and Mike were doing, using cams among other things to allow them to use that cr.
As far as your boosted combo, maybe Tom can more accurately explain how and why. |
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#137
02-06-2017, 10:29 AM
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If you are running n/a trying to make as much power as you can and are already buying race gas why wouldn't you run as much compression as you can.
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#138
02-06-2017, 10:41 AM
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Absolutely! But it's a slippery slope and a screw up or problem can ruin it all. You'll have a second or so recognize and react. That type testing isn't for the faint and must be snuck up on.
Personally I'd recommend to avoid that high cr for 99.9% of you guys. Gamblers, rich guys and unlimited racers only. |
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#139
02-06-2017, 10:44 AM
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Tom V. Charlie, some say (like Corky Bell - a Turbo and supercharger expert and book writer) that the cylinder pressure (if the engine is built right) will only increase about 15-20% but the mass flow thru the engine goes up a great deal and the push on the piston is longer so you make a lot more power from a COMBINATION of parts to the puzzle. You did good Charlie.
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#140
02-06-2017, 01:35 PM
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