[Sirrotica]

Yes George, it was supposedly run at least a month ago, thing is that there seems to be no knowledge of who won it.

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Marty's 70 Race car "front half" was set up for a Brad Anderson blower engine so it is assumed that that stuff would be cut out of the car to install a Pontiac Engine configuration again. In this case that would be for the Twin Turbo CV-x engine combination.

The "Back Half" typically gets mods when a racer buys a vehicle as each racer has their own ideas on what they want (for example a "no prep" track chassis).

Tom V.

Race has already been run with the old E-head engine against the BAE Hemi...

[Sirrotica]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Marty's 70 Race car "front half" was set up for a Brad Anderson blower engine so it is assumed that that stuff would be cut out of the car to install a Pontiac Engine configuration again. In this case that would be for the Twin Turbo CV-x engine combination.

The "Back Half" typically gets mods when a racer buys a vehicle as each racer has their own ideas on what they want (for example a "no prep" track chassis).

Tom V.

What they showed on TV was just rear sheetmetal from the firewall back, there was no stock front frame on the car that I could discern, it was all tube, at least from the quick glance on the TV show. Quite easy to see it with no front nose on the car. Just from the quick glance it looked to be set up for a rack for steering, and coil over front suspension on tubular A arms. I never saw a hint of an original GM frame, looked to be chrome moly tubular front to rear. 4 guys carried the whole thing off the trailer.

Also they robbed parts off of the Crow Mod to build the GTO and I know there aren't any stock frame components on that car. I could have missed it, but I was actually looking for the stock front frame last night. It didn't look like a back half car at least to my untrained eye.

The rules they talked about last night didn't mention a back half car, just steel roof and quarters and a VIN tag. 500 cube limit, and it was also supposed to be 1967-72. GMG has a 2015 challenger so it doesn't quite fit either.

I know that Marty is a friend of yours, so maybe in the dim lighting I missed something, just seemed like it was a full tube chassis car, at least to me.

I looked at the 30 second trailer for last nights show and stopped it when they did a front to rear view of the chassis and body shell and although it's a crappy view it looks to be all tube under the floor and from the firewall forward. As I said it's not a clear view and it's like one second long.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

Race has already been run with the old E-head engine against the BAE Hemi...

I am aware of that. The CV-x Guys are still working on their parts. Hard to run a race against Gas Monkey with the new parts when they haven't been even in the car yet. I was aware the Butler engine was installed in the black car. Hope the results were better than assumed by some.

Tom V.

[Matt Meaney]

anyone notice the trans am had round port heads? I believe that car was on ebay years ago. if not, it was it's twin. had a 455 with IV's and came with SD's. or vice versa, it's been awhile. sold somewhere in the 5K range.

[A.W.Dille]

From the little bit I saw on YouTube showed Chief pulling away from the Gas Monkey car. Looking forward to seeing the actual outcome but I think the GTO put it to them big time.

[69Goat1]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

I am aware of that. The CV-x Guys are still working on their parts. Hard to run a race against Gas Monkey with the new parts when they haven't been even in the car yet. I was aware the Butler engine was installed in the black car. Hope the results were better than assumed by some.

Tom V.

I assume e-heads put it on a blown BAE Hemi...

[Tom Vaught]

It is what it is, Chief has wooped aze on better stuff.

Tom V.

[Squidward]

Just saw the episode, and enjoyed it. I was excited that a black primer monster might race again. I liked the old black Crow, and it complements Chief's '70 daily driver. Good times.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

What they showed on TV was just rear sheetmetal from the firewall back, there was no stock front frame on the car that I could discern, it was all tube, at least from the quick glance on the TV show. Quite easy to see it with no front nose on the car. Just from the quick glance it looked to be set up for a rack for steering, and coil over front suspension on tubular A arms. I never saw a hint of an original GM frame, looked to be chrome moly tubular front to rear. 4 guys carried the whole thing off the trailer.

Also they robbed parts off of the Crow Mod to build the GTO and I know there aren't any stock frame components on that car. I could have missed it, but I was actually looking for the stock front frame last night. It didn't look like a back half car at least to my untrained eye.

The rules they talked about last night didn't mention a back half car, just steel roof and quarters and a VIN tag. 500 cube limit, and it was also supposed to be 1967-72. GMG has a 2015 challenger so it doesn't quite fit either.

I know that Marty is a friend of yours, so maybe in the dim lighting I missed something, just seemed like it was a full tube chassis car, at least to me.

I looked at the 30 second trailer for last nights show and stopped it when they did a front to rear view of the chassis and body shell and although it's a crappy view it looks to be all tube under the floor and from the firewall forward. As I said it's not a clear view and it's like one second long.

You are thinking STOCK Pontiac configuration like Marty's Naturally Aspirated Car prior to the build of the 70 "Judge" Vehicle.

The "Judge" vehicle was a double tube chassis Race chassis built by Jeff Covey on a Frame Jig. Marty's car was I believe the 9th or 10th 25-1C type chassis (been years ago and the rules changed) that Jeff built on the jig.

So where you get the Stock front frame/back half deal is a new one on me.

The Judge front chassis was originally designed for a front plate (elephant ear) off the heads to the chassis and mid plate deal if I remember correctly.

The engine ALWAYS had a dry sump system, always had fuel injection, always was a boosted engine. It always ran a 406 Pontiac engine for 3 years (until the 406 block started to crack) and then a POS BB Chebby block was installed for a short period of time. It had issues immediately.

So you confuse me on this info you have posted.

Tom V.

[Tom Vaught]

Another comment:

Marty had the Stocker 71 GTO. (That was his wife's car)
Marty had a Second GTO that was a tilt front end conventional frame front and back half small steel tube car that he ran as a naturally aspirated car.

Marty, Jeff Covey and Tom Earhart did the 70 Chassis car which was built from a sheet metal 70 car (marty's uncle found for him in the south west that was rust free basically.
That car was a chassis "Door Car" that over time received more and more carbon fiber parts: Front end, Hood, Doors, etc but the rear half of the car remained steel.

That car had a "Tin" interior initially.

Then when Marty moved to arizona the modded the Covey chassis even more on the front and back half of the car. Center of the car/cage remained except where mods were required for tech reasons. That is what Chief basically bought The steel rear half and the center cage of the car and I was told modded from there.

Tom V.

ps Marty's Body Guy bought the tilt front end GTO and later He and Marty did a street Twin Turbo deal for that car. DIFFERENT CAR vs the "judge"

[johnta1]

Most probably figured this is what Chief bought:

Marty's GTO

Marty Palbykin 1970 Promod This is a great working car.
Completely updated.
Double frame rail
Carbon doors and front end
Selling as a roller
A very stable car @ 236mph.

$42,000
Marty

[Tom Vaught]

Thanks John, so proved my posts were correct:
Originally "Covey Double Tube frame rail car".
Carbon doors and front end. But I believe that car was immedially sent to the chassis shop and lots of mods were made. Chief and Murder Nova have their ideas on what works for THEIR racing. They own the car they can mod it all they want.

Tom V.

[geeteeohguy]

This show just got a whole lot better for me. Not into Pro-Mods on the street.....I'd rather see another 'Crow" any old day! Amazing that there are TWO Pontiac engines going up against the competition.!

[ho428]

I don't think Farm Truck and Asian have a chance against Aaron, assuming he finishes the car. A BMW with an LS swap is a potent package.

[Tom Vaught]

TWO THINGS YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER:

IT IS A REALITY SHOW AND ANY REALITY SHOW IS TYPICALLY BASED ON SOME TRUTH.

A guy who drives a Pro Stock car is not necessarily the best choice for a Pro Mod type vehicle drag race.

Tom V.

[Sirrotica]

Tom V, the confusion is on my end. A few months ago I either read, or heard in a video, that the 405 was going to step back away from pro mod cars.

That rule change that I heard/read, stated that the 405 list cars were to have a VIN tag, steel roof and quarters, and be back half cars. Now I see the back half portion was either rescinded, or whoever was giving the information I saw/heard was mistaken. The inaccurate information is what I was going on. The inaccurate information saw me looking for a stock front frame on the newest edition of the Crow (Marty Ps old race car). Being under the impression that Chief's new car had no stock front frame, I was confused.

In light of the back half rule not being enacted, or was never even considered, I did some more web mining and found out that the 405 list cars from now on, do not have to be back half cars with stock front frame, just VIN tag, and steel roof and quarters, problem solved.

Just attribute it to me reading/hearing a statement that was only partially accurate. Hey, all my race cars turned corners, I'm obviously not a dyed in the wool drag racer.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

Tom V, the confusion is on my end. A few months ago I either read, or heard in a video, that the 405 was going to step back away from pro mod cars.

That rule change that I heard/read, stated that the 405 list cars were to have a VIN tag, steel roof and quarters, and be back half cars. Now I see the back half portion was either rescinded, or whoever was giving the information I saw/heard was mistaken. The inaccurate information is what I was going on. The inaccurate information saw me looking for a stock front frame on the newest edition of the Crow (Marty Ps old race car). Being under the impression that Chief's new car had no stock front frame, I was confused.

In light of the back half rule not being enacted, or was never even considered, I did some more web mining and found out that the 405 list cars from now on, do not have to be back half cars with stock front frame, just VIN tag and steel roof, and quarters, problem solved.

Just attribute it to me reading/hearing a statement that was only partially accurate. Hey, all my race cars turned corners, I'm obviously not a dyed in the wool drag racer.

No worries, I am not a Drag Racer either. But I did spend a lot of time with Marty, Mary, and Tom Earhart when they raced the Pontiac engine Twin Turbo car as a support person.
By the way, Mary's Twin Turbo 71 GTO (Pontiac Engine) still uses the Pontiac EFI intake that Marty, Mary, Tom Earhart, and I designed and built many many years ago.

Tom V.

[Sirrotica]

The Crow is all put together and they're on the way to CA to race Rawlings car. I believe they said the Crow has upsized turbos, 94mm. Other than that it's still got the "Small Block Pontiac" 482.

The Farmbird is done and the freshened up 455 Pontiac dynoed at 507 on gas, but they're adding 2 stages of N2O on top of that.

Mega race is next Mon.

[ho428]

Originally Posted by Sirrotica

The Farmbird is done and the freshened up 455 Pontiac dynoed at 507 on gas, but they're adding 2 stages of N2O on top of that.

I couldn't figure out why they said they had to make motor mounts, that none existed for that combo.
I'm assuming that was a made for TV moment.