[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

DF cars weight of 3020lbs race weight came in a PM on "this site", from Mr. Fulton in 2011. What about that is fake news ? The whole thing about his car, times, combos ect is all fishy. Did he run drag radials for the 7.65 run. Tire change alone gets you something. Only had to be .06.
What about all the U tube videos of him running 7.70s and 7.80s with CVs.
Still, never has answered my question of his best CV time. Was it 7.65 ? Were drag radials on the car ?
I wonder what he paid out of his pocket for the CV top end ? Was it a big freebee ?
Did the new 410cfm E heads ever get a proper chance. Did he dyno it with the same cam as the 370 E heads ? We all know 40cfm means you put in a bigger cam and probably new converter. Was he not happy with the 2x4 intake for the E heads.
It just seems to me, if you run 7.71 with 370 E heads and get a 410cfm set with proper intake, cam, converter and gears you would AT LEAST see a tenth difference. Should be even more if done right.
Was it done right ? Or did he dyno it with the same cam the 370 engine had, had a "lazy air" thing going on because he was to cheap to buy a new cam, got upset and then have some guy tell them we will give you a new wiz bang CV top end. Then put it all together with a ci/crank change and the thing only goes from a 7.71 to a 7.65.
What was his ci with the 370 E heads ?
And what a gorgeous car.

Can I ask why you care? Its not your car or combo...I know you will say its because the CV crowd talks a lot.. Maybe so but does it matter so much to your program you feel the need to investigate and find what you feel is the "truth"?
Go play with your car and have fun..seems like that is enough right there to occupy your time...

[7T2]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

DF cars weight of 3020lbs race weight came in a PM on "this site", from Mr. Fulton in 2011.What about that is fake news ?

dicks car is 3150 now. has to weigh that (w/ muffs) to compete in fastest street car shootout @ brainerd track in mn... which he WON in '16 first full season w/ cv-1's against fords and chevies

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Still, never has answered my question of his best CV time. Was it 7.65 ?

dicks pass early sunday morning against roger ibbotson @ norwalk '16 was a 7.62- shutting off at the 1000 and coasting due to hurt cyl. it happened about 10am- i was there

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Did the new 410cfm E heads ever get a proper chance.
.

dicks experience w/ former head/ intake development guy are well documented- do a search..
as are his results of the wide port / as cast cv-1 dyno test that yielded 30hp more for cv-1 top end... same 455 motor, all same stats even cam specs

Originally Posted by Dragncar

had a "lazy air" thing going on .

lmao- that is priceless!!
years ago that 'lazy port' thing was the latest 'bash cv-1' theme...funny how the same 380 cfm thru the newest head offering w/ 3.2 sq ".. just like the gen 1 cv-1.... isnt challenged- LMFAO

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

DF cars weight of 3020lbs race weight came in a PM on "this site", from Mr. Fulton in 2011. What about that is fake news ? The whole thing about his car, times, combos ect is all fishy. Did he run drag radials for the 7.65 run. Tire change alone gets you something. Only had to be .06.
What about all the U tube videos of him running 7.70s and 7.80s with CVs.
Still, never has answered my question of his best CV time. Was it 7.65 ? Were drag radials on the car ?
I wonder what he paid out of his pocket for the CV top end ? Was it a big freebee ?
Did the new 410cfm E heads ever get a proper chance. Did he dyno it with the same cam as the 370 E heads ? We all know 40cfm means you put in a bigger cam and probably new converter. Was he not happy with the 2x4 intake for the E heads.
It just seems to me, if you run 7.71 with 370 E heads and get a 410cfm set with proper intake, cam, converter and gears you would AT LEAST see a tenth difference. Should be even more if done right.
Was it done right ? Or did he dyno it with the same cam the 370 engine had, had a "lazy air" thing going on because he was to cheap to buy a new cam, got upset and then have some guy tell them we will give you a new wiz bang CV top end. Then put it all together with a ci/crank change and the thing only goes from a 7.71 to a 7.65.
What was his ci with the 370 E heads ?
And what a gorgeous car.

Really?

Stan

[BruceWilkie]

Enough of your non sense.

I don't have nothing much nice to say about you either.

You believe what you want. I cant change that.

You would think being Pontiac fans we could just ignore our differences, but its obvious you don't want to.

You can consider me "frozen" whatever that came from or is supposed to mean.

I consider you a moron for blindly believing everything you've been told.
You seem quite gullible actually.

You don't seem to realize that some of those early "experts" you believed on early cv development have proven to be dead wrong.

Obviously I'm not changing your mind, and at this point I don't want to.

Build your dream motor bracket racer. Hope its a success for you.

I'll build the motor/car I want to do dragweek type events. and have fun with.
I love driving my Pontiacs !

Suspect we may end up just as fast as each other.


BTW... I actually have high regards for some of the folks you admire. Highly question the honesty and integrity of some of the others you admire.

[Dragncar]

It seems snap, crackle and pop have made a appearance in another thread. More to follow. No one is going to build a NA, pump gas, stock block,Cv engine that will have the slightest chance of keeping up with me. If he makes any power at all the block will split.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

It seems snap, crackle and pop have made a appearance in another thread. More to follow. No one is going to build a NA, pump gas, stock block,Cv engine that will have the slightest chance of keeping up with me. If he makes any power at all the block will split.

Do you think you're setting the bar pretty high for yourself with all your talking? Curious do you have a goal in mind for when this engine will be completed?

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Do you think you're setting the bar pretty high for yourself with all your talking? Curious do you have a goal in mind for when this engine will be completed?

It's like talking with Gach lol.

My stuff will be built as funds gather. Not likely done soon. Life happens and youngest goes to college in a couple years.

Yep might build 2 cars.

BTW Deb suddenly showing interest in her car again..

Youngest daughter all of suden interested with mom's car too..
Finally one of the kids truly interested.
Pontiac's to the front!

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Do you think you're setting the bar pretty high for yourself with all your talking? Curious do you have a goal in mind for when this engine will be completed?

All what talking Brian. Saying a factory block Pontiac, pump gas, NA engine has no chance on keeping up with a 900HP build is not some crazy boast. If one even tried to make a as described engine it would beat itself to death and you know it.
Could not run enough cam and RPMs to get it done. Especially if its a 4" stroke and only 455ci, not a chance.
I will send Frank a big deposit on the aluminum IA2 within the next couple weeks. Then the other major engine part I dont have is the rods. The Molnars are under 800$ so it wont be a issue. I hope to have it done for next season. But I am also putting a roof on the house before the winter.
You tell me what it is going to make. Its not as bad as your build but its mine. IA2A, 4.35 bore 4.5 stroke, 535, 11.75 CR, Lil Jacks/Gabbys 408cfm E heads, all the best stuff, 1.8 T&Ds, Jessel rollers, Scott Browm cam with at least .830 lift, Tiger intake blessed by John Marcella topped by a Dale Cubic. Its going to run, I know that. 850 with ease I say. How far I get past that, we will see. 900HP goal.
So I might end up with the most NA E headed Pontiac pump gas power.
15 minutes of fame. In a very small pond.
But its our pond.

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

.
You tell me what it is going to make. Its not as bad as your build but its mine. IA2A, 4.35 bore 4.5 stroke, 535, 11.75 CR, Lil Jacks/Gabbys 408cfm E heads, all the best stuff, 1.8 T&Ds, Jessel rollers, Scott Browm cam with at least .830 lift, Tiger intake blessed by John Marcella topped by a Dale Cubic. Its going to run, I know that. 850 with ease I say. How far I get past that, we will see. 900HP goal.
So I might end up with the most NA E headed Pontiac pump gas power.
.

Sounds like you're lining up a lot of good parts. But getting a combo to work to it's full potential can be a time-consuming and humbling experience. It will be a good project.

Eric

[Hooter]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Sounds like you're lining up a lot of good parts. But getting a combo to work to it's full potential can be a time-consuming and humbling experience. It will be a good project.

Eric

Most accurate post in this whole thread. Ask me about going to Drag Week with no testing and cutting 1.60 short times because the convertor was waaaay wrong.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Sounds like you're lining up a lot of good parts. But getting a combo to work to it's full potential can be a time-consuming and humbling experience. It will be a good project.

Eric

X1000

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Sounds like you're lining up a lot of good parts. But getting a combo to work to it's full potential can be a time-consuming and humbling experience. It will be a good project.

Eric

Thanks, its going to be fun. But until I get another car I will run it with the converters I have and whatever carb I need to go 10 flat.
I can buy another 9" 3rd member with the right gears and converter for a different car.
The new issues with traction will be interesting. Car just grabs and goes right now. Bet that changes. We do have a top notch chassie/traction guy at out track. Steve Qkiss.
Thing is, in bracket racing tuning the car to full potential does not help me much. I used to play with this and that on my first 3 time runs and just concentrate on the launch on my 4 and final run. I started taking home the trophys when I stopped playing with the car so much and just driving it.

[BruceWilkie]

Who says I'm staying with a stock block? The good 59 is probably getting some mild ported 4x,7's and a pair of turbos. Plenty to exceed 1000 HP under 6000 rpm. Probably end up with a 4" Ohio forged crank. So figure maybe 433 ci. Mild efi maybe on old HSD intake. Intercooled pump gas under 6000 rpm. Should live just fine.
I plan on aftermarket block for NA build. 4"stroke 4.255 bore makes for 455 CI. Running different combo possibilities to see what I can do on pump gas. I'll use the heads you don't believe exist KOOLAID boy.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Who says I'm staying with a stock block? The good 59 is probably getting some mild ported 4x,7's and a pair of turbos. Plenty to exceed 1000 HP under 6000 rpm. Probably end up with a 4" Ohio forged crank. So figure maybe 433 ci. Mild efi maybe on old HSD intake. Intercooled pump gas under 6000 rpm. Should live just fine.
I plan on aftermarket block for NA build. 4"stroke 4.255 bore makes for 455 CI. Running different combo possibilities to see what I can do on pump gas. I'll use the heads you don't believe exist KOOLAID boy.

Good Luck with your Boosted Engine project, Bruce.
College for your kids always comes ahead of Pontiac Projects.

Tom V.

[slowbird]

Walter Lansing ran 9.8-9.7 with kre d-ports on pg

[grandville455]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Walter Lansing ran 9.8-9.7 with kre d-ports on pg

What was the total combo Brian? Weight etc

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by grandville455

What was the total combo Brian? Weight etc

Ignore Slowbird... you completed Drag-week!

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Walter Lansing ran 9.8-9.7 with kre d-ports on pg

You are such a party pooper!

[slowbird]

It was years ago but i think he weighed 3700-3800. Dan did heads/intake.

[grandville455]

Originally Posted by slowbird

It was years ago but i think he weighed 3700-3800. Dan did heads/intake.

I did a quick search, Way more head cfm 370 INT, engine and cam then me!! IA2 525 and only a 100 lbs heavier CAR 3670, i was prob 3580 yesterday and his dyno showed 780 hp, 693 torque, that's 130 more hp and almost 100 lbs MORE of torque, and he ran 9.73@136... Titanium valves , shaft rockers etc. I would say I'm doing just fine with mine . I haven't even found the limit yet, there's still more left.