[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I really don’t mind if someone has a slower car.

We all start out somewhere.

I still remember my first pass: 13.53@105 on 255-60-15 Goodyear Eagle St.
I was hooked from that day forward.

It’s all in good fun.

I like the slower cars too Right now I have no desire to go faster. My car can scare me on the street now.

[GTO Dan]

Originally Posted by Slick

Jeff Rana ran 9.7-9.8 in his 3450# 64, N/A with a very early set of CV-1 heads. Not prepped by any guru, not filled in to fix imaginary velocity issues.

Switched to a KRE High Port top end that I never personally saw, but understand it came from a successful team. Jeff can fill us in. Using the HP top end, the car slowed to 10.0.

Pontiac Dude had a different outcome.

If I recall, that really started (rightfully or wrongfully so) the velocity debate.

[T Syron]

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

Pontiac Dude had a different outcome.

If I recall, that really started (rightfully or wrongfully so) the velocity debate.

IIRC. That set was done by The Race Shop. I don't think that deal worked out so well for anyone.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by T Syron

IIRC. That set was done by The Race Shop. I don't think that deal worked out so well for anyone.

Now that is interesting. So you are saying that the heads that P-Dude ran were modified.

Yet all we have for the last decade from the leader of the circle j*** / twilight zone is the out of the box ports are to large and the port velocity is to slow.

So did they ever run an out of the box head?

Stan

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

Demons Run 9's, Corvettes with mild mods run 9's, Just about every car with a super charger/ turbo charger 10's and lower.

When you run 7"s and 6's, you really have to know your stuff, if the tune is off, you break stuff. Cars like that are a different than a 9-10 second street car.

9's now are like the old 11's!!!

I would like to see Street Outlaws but without all the pure race cars. I mean, real honest to goodness street cars. Solid blocks, tube frames ect, don't like it.
Its just a who has the most money, best sponsors just like pro racing is.
Because it is pro racing.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Slick

Jeff Rana ran 9.7-9.8 in his 3450# 64, N/A with a very early set of CV-1 heads. Not prepped by any guru, not filled in to fix imaginary velocity issues.

Switched to a KRE High Port top end that I never personally saw, but understand it came from a successful team. Jeff can fill us in. Using the HP top end, the car slowed to 10.0.

So Jack, we agree, the B.S. stops on the ET slip.

Does plumber B.S. ever stop?

Are you planing on running Cvs ? Go for it.
Do you remember why he switched to the HPs? Had to be a reason.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Now that is interesting. So you are saying that the heads that P-Dude ran were modified.

Yet all we have for the last decade from the leader of the circle j*** / twilight zone is the out of the box ports are to large and the port velocity is to slow.

So did they ever run an out of the box head?

Stan

Pdude never ran the raceshop heads, there is some confusion being posted.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...highlight=cv-1

[T Syron]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Pdude never ran the raceshop heads, there is some confusion being posted.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...highlight=cv-1

I apologize. I thought he ran those piticular heads. That's why I put IIRC.

[Slick]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Are you planing on running Cvs ? Go for it.
Do you remember why he switched to the HPs? Had to be a reason.

Yes. I have CV1s. Jeff's old motor.

Jeff switched to HP to go faster.

Jeff thought he would.

Jeff is a nice guy, smart guy, and as far as I know, honest.

He went slower with HP heads.

He built a bigger engine and bought a lighter car. Yup, he preferred using E Heads. I'm sure he will run great.

My car will only ever be a street car. So I'll never set a record. My own limits on myself. I've cut up enough nice cars in my life. Different plans this time around.

Best of luck to anyone here, however fast you are looking to go, as long as it has a real Pontiac engine, I could care less what head. I want them all fast!

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Slick

Best of luck to anyone here, however fast you are looking to go, as long as it has a real Pontiac engine, I could care less what head. I want them all fast!

X2.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Slick

Yes. I have CV1s. Jeff's old motor.

Jeff switched to HP to go faster.

Jeff thought he would.

Jeff is a nice guy, smart guy, and as far as I know, honest.

He went slower with HP heads.

He built a bigger engine and bought a lighter car. Yup, he preferred using E Heads. I'm sure he will run great.

My car will only ever be a street car. So I'll never set a record. My own limits on myself. I've cut up enough nice cars in my life. Different plans this time around.

Best of luck to anyone here, however fast you are looking to go, as long as it has a real Pontiac engine, I could care less what head. I want them all fast!

Wish we had details on the switch. Something was not quite right with the new HP combo. As cast ? Lightly ported ?

Good luck with your new bullet whatever head is on it.

[Slick]

It's been a few years, Jeff didn't tell me, but someone else told me they were a well prepared set, matched with the intake. If memory serves, they came off of one of the Picketts' cars. I could be mistaken on that.

Hopefully Jeff can post up details here.

He may be busy, he has engine issues.

[slowbird]

Im pretty sure the HP heads were as cast and flowed 330ish cfm

[Aaron Quinton]

Not

Originally Posted by slowbird

Swirl is VERY important!

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

Not

It sarcasm, sorry i should have known better.

[Aaron Quinton]

Lol, yep I missed it and you should know better. Only an omniscient person like you would post it. Right? But tumble is, right?

And what is your real name sir?

Originally Posted by slowbird

It sarcasm, sorry i should have known better.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by 455GRIN

Now you guys are taking velocity flow numbers from a plumber?

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

You know you do need good velocity and swirl if you want the chit to flow.

Stan

Based on the previous posts I post that as humor.

What was being described was the workings of a toilet.

Stan

[Kelvin Poe]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Something was not quite right with the new HP combo. As cast ? Lightly ported ?

Really??? Why??? CV-1's should run better. For starters, they flow 30+ cfm more as cast. I ran 3 tenths quicker with my CV-1's over HP's. My HP's were standard port that flowed 390 and the best my car ran with them was 8.38. My CV-1's flowed 435 and my best run was a 8.08. If I had decided to do a little more tuning on it, possible a cam and/or converter swap, I'm sure I could've gotten into the 7's. Don't think I could've gotten much more out of those HP's. But, I decided to do something different, Drag Week and street/strip type stuff, and still running CV-1's.

Sure, I could've done a set of wide port HP's and it'd probably have been a closer match. But, in my case, I didn't want to deal with all the offset stuff.

We get it, CV-1's aren't the head for you. But, I don't get why you have the bash them every chance you get. Just let it go.

That's it, I'm done....

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Kelvin Poe

Really??? Why??? CV-1's should run better. For starters, they flow 30+ cfm more as cast. I ran 3 tenths quicker with my CV-1's over HP's. My HP's were standard port that flowed 390 and the best my car ran with them was 8.38. My CV-1's flowed 435 and my best run was a 8.08. If I had decided to do a little more tuning on it, possible a cam and/or converter swap, I'm sure I could've gotten into the 7's. Don't think I could've gotten much more out of those HP's. But, I decided to do something different, Drag Week and street/strip type stuff, and still running CV-1's.

Sure, I could've done a set of wide port HP's and it'd probably have been a closer match. But, in my case, I didn't want to deal with all the offset stuff.

We get it, CV-1's aren't the head for you. But, I don't get why you have the bash them every chance you get. Just let it go.

That's it, I'm done....

Explain the rest of the story Kelvin. Here is what I heard and you tell me if its true or just a rumor, I will believe you.
Someone ported the HPs before Barton got them. He could not fix everything but did the best he could with what he was given. True ??
Barton is the one who told me a good set of High Ports would run away from CV-1s. The guy does top Pro Stock stuff so its not like he does not have credentials, he does.
Slick insinuated that they were ported since he said they came from a successful team. But I do remember the Pickets running as cast HPs for a bit.
As cast, that makes sense.
And no, I personally don't like CVs. If you are going to cant the valve you should rip the head off every inline Pontiac head there is. Something was not right, those things were supposed to be one head that could do it all. But like many things you can not try to be good at every aspect or you end up master of none.
I take much joy when they can not beat a aluminum PMD RAIV type head.
I am after all, a Pontiac fan.

[Kelvin Poe]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Explain the rest of the story Kelvin. Here is what I heard and you tell me if its true or just a rumor, I will believe you.
Someone ported the HPs before Barton got them. He could not fix everything but did the best he could with what he was given. True ??
Barton is the one who told me a good set of High Ports would run away from CV-1s. The guy does top Pro Stock stuff so its not like he does not have credentials, he does.
Slick insinuated that they were ported since he said they came from a successful team. But I do remember the Pickets running as cast HPs for a bit.
As cast, that makes sense.
And no, I personally don't like CVs. If you are going to cant the valve you should rip the head off every inline Pontiac head there is. Something was not right, those things were supposed to be one head that could do it all. But like many things you can not try to be good at every aspect or you end up master of none.
I take much joy when they can not beat a aluminum PMD RAIV type head.
I am after all, a Pontiac fan.

There is no rest of the story. Yes, they were mildly ported before Dan got them, flowed around 355 cfm. But, he did a great job taking care of any and all issues they had. He originally got 388 cfm out of them. I sent them back to him a couple of years later to freshen up. He did a few other things to them, but I didn't have him re-flow them. He said they should flow a little better, though. As I said, he did a great job with them, probably in the 390+ cfm range after freshening them. I don't think anybody's gotten much anymore then that out of a set of standard port HP's. He also ported my BOP intake to match them. Dan's a good guy and for sure knows what he's doing. I have nothing but good things to say about what he did for me and my HP's. But, like the rest of us, he's human and he was wrong IF he told you a good set of HP's, at least standard port HP's, would run away from CV-1's. That wasn't the case with me. Like I said, LET IT GO, I'm done with this...