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Old 08-12-2023, 02:50 PM
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Pull the dipstick and smell the oil on it. See if it smells like fuel. Wow ! You had allot going on. carburetor issues intake leaking valve adjustment, glad to see its not the cam. Yeah I would change the oil anyway, taking chance of the rings getting wash out. Put fresh set of plugs in there too.
looks like I'm done for now, the #1 cylinder is hashed, and it was sucking oil down the intake

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Old 08-12-2023, 03:35 PM
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That sucks !

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What would the maximum bore oversize that would work with file fit piston rings and stock pistons?

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Old 08-12-2023, 03:58 PM
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whats hashed about #1 that it needs bored? would a hone & new rings work?

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Old 08-12-2023, 04:00 PM
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It depends on what the piston company recommends. As and example say they say .005 piston to wall, maybe you could get away with say .002 over if that would clean up the cylinder walls. Is that what your thinking on doing, use same pistons, clean up cylinder walls and some file fitted rings ?

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It depends on what the piston company recommends. As and example say they say .005 piston to wall, maybe you could get away with say .002 over if that would clean up the cylinder walls. Is that what your thinking on doing, use same pistons, clean up cylinder walls and some file fitted rings ?
Yep, the engine still has the stock pistons installed.

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Old 08-12-2023, 04:06 PM
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I mean I’ve seen guys just hone cylinders out and re-ring and not have issues. But main thing is to check cylinder and make sure there’s no taper. Most important part is make sure it has right cylinder wall finish so rings will seat.

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Old 08-12-2023, 04:10 PM
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If it where me though, if your going to go through all that, I would just go .030 over and just put new pistons in it. Going with a hone and re-ringing it, is like flipping a coin. May be good for a while.

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Old 08-12-2023, 04:11 PM
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looks like I'm done for now, the #1 cylinder is hashed, and it was sucking oil down the intake
Please do a cranking compression test on #1 cylinder and tells us what you get.

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Old 08-12-2023, 04:19 PM
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Question when you say all hashed up, did you pull the head off or look down with a camera. Just trying to visualize what you mean by hashed up.

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Please do a cranking compression test on #1 cylinder and tells us what you get.

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150 psi same as always

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Question when you say all hashed up, did you pull the head off or look down with a camera. Just trying to visualize what you mean by hashed up.
I have a borescope that I used, there was no cross hatch left at all, just vertical score marks

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I am in the process of pulling the heads to get a better look

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Old 08-12-2023, 04:42 PM
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I have a borescope that I used, there was no cross hatch left at all, just vertical score marks
Ok, now I get it. Sounds like rings got washed out. I think that will clean up with a good hone job, specially seeing that the compression still up there and good.

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I have a borescope that I used, there was no cross hatch left at all, just vertical score marks
Did you check any of the other cylinders with the bore scope? To see if they look the same as #1 or not?

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Old 08-12-2023, 04:46 PM
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Did you check any of the other cylinders with the bore scope? To see if they look the same as #1 or not?

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He’s pulling the heads.

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Did you check any of the other cylinders with the bore scope? To see if they look the same as #1 or not?

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Not yet, I will though and let you know

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Old 08-12-2023, 06:12 PM
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looks like I'm done for now, the #1 cylinder is hashed, and it was sucking oil down the intake
Is it possible for you to take and post a picture?

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Old 08-12-2023, 08:12 PM
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I have set of new plain iron rings for a std bore 400 in the garage.
If you decide to just hone it with new rings you can have them , just pay shipping.
I would like them to go to someone who could use them.
I never will.

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I have set of new plain iron rings for a std bore 400 in the garage.
If you decide to just hone it with new rings you can have them , just pay shipping.
I would like them to go to someone who could use them.
I never will.
I appreciate the offer but I had to get file to fit rings for the first rebuild so std bore rings won't work. I'm thinking of just selling the car anyways, I've sunk a couple grand and about 2 months just to get back where I started.

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