[Aluminum Chief]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

I haven't seen the block stamping on the Mayfair EBAY car , but was hoping to see it.
Where do they have it posted ?
69-70 Ram4 have unique qualities to the EUN.

The Mayfair/Matador has a genuine factory WW block that Poncho-Mike bought in the 80s.
Eventually he sent in for PHS and it came out of a 69 Judge Ram4 4spd 4.33 car sold new at Knafel in Ohio.
Mike eventually sold it to the owner of that car. Not original to the car , but real.
It is also a 4.33 car

For big money , Mayfair or Sierra are the last color I would buy.
Milners car was YELLOW , not pale poop yellow

Got these from the seller.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Aluminum Chief

Got these from the seller.

I appreciate that.
It's not a good vibe at all to be completely honest .

The EUN is "too neat" . Those blocks were hand stamped EUN as opposed to machine stamped like all others.
Never seen a real one anywhere close to that neat.
It looks calculated.

It also appears the partial VIN is stamped down low near timing cover.
Hard to tell 100% for sure where it is stamped.
But Fremont would be stamped up high near the cylinder head in 69

For that kind of money - he needs to do some way better pictures of things that important.

I'd rather have an SR than a goofy footed restamp.
There are so many fakes out there now, hardly anyone knows what a real one should look like.

[north]

For comparison here is an early 69 production (late set 68) WT Fremont engine I’ve had kicking around for decades. I can’t find a VIN anywhere on the block. Ive seen that on early Fremont engines before.

I couldn’t get a good pick on engines in the car but I have three other Fremont cars built in Feb-July 69 and all have the VIN down low like other plants but with a very small and different font than the other plants.

The VIN on the car here in question looks more like font you see on Baltimore or Pontiac built cars.

[north]

By comparison here is a 350 2bbl VIN from a late (July 69) Baltimore LeMans. Double stamped and the letter looks like a P even though the car was built in Baltimore and this number matches the VIN on the car.

[north]

Here is a 69 LeMans built in Dec 68 at Baltimore

[north]

Here is an early Sept 68 built 1969 GP at the Pontiac plant

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

That's interesting about some low stamped Fremont blocks.
I never get any action on Fremont cars here in NC
But all the ones that get posted on here are up high.

Along with 69 Atlanta and 71 Framingham

[Aluminum Chief]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

I appreciate that.
It's not a good vibe at all to be completely honest .

The EUN is "too neat" . Those blocks were hand stamped EUN as opposed to machine stamped like all others.
Never seen a real one anywhere close to that neat.
It looks calculated.

It also appears the partial VIN is stamped down low near timing cover.
Hard to tell 100% for sure where it is stamped.
But Fremont would be stamped up high near the cylinder head in 69

For that kind of money - he needs to do some way better pictures of things that important.

I'd rather have an SR than a goofy footed restamp.
There are so many fakes out there now, hardly anyone knows what a real one should look like.

Thanks for the info
The Ram IV stamping should look more like this , right?

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Yes , that - or even a little worse actually in some cases.
Those digits look almost straight vertically.
That's almost too good , but we can only gauge things so far when covered by paint.

That original block that BLKBRD bought in the beginning must have been beyond repair.
And he/they made a replica for it.

[north]

I always like to see the EUN and VIN area down to metal (no paint) when considering a high value engine. Hard to fake those milling marks.

[SD455DJ]

Here's another example of a '69 RAIV EUN/block code and ground-off pn and the back of the block (from a firebird).

Dennis

[north]

Were the EUN’s on RA4’s stamped differently than on “regular” engines? I just assumed they’d grab a regular 400 block, install 4 bolt mains and restamp the pn accordingly. I recall seeing pictures of RA4 blocks where they only machined and stamped the second half of the cast pn.

[SD455DJ]

Yes, both ways on the PN...half ground off, or the whole number, like this one. The RAIV's EUN's are always manually hand stamped, so always irregular looking.

Dennis

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

On 1970 part number they usually just ground off the last digit . 4
And stamped to 5

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

When you see any - where the part number stamping looks calculated and uniform , versus random hit and run , usually another symptom of a replica.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by north

Were the EUN’s on RA4’s stamped differently than on “regular” engines ?

Post #20 and #22 also covers that.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

On the EUN example given by Dennis
None of the digits are straight horizontally
And I would say only two digits might qualify as straight vertically
Textbook example

They can even be worse than his example.

[Aluminum Chief]

Thanks for all the help, guys. KC

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

You dodged a bullet .
Now you have some armor plating to deflect future snipers.

[Aluminum Chief]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

You dodged a bullet .
Now you have some armor plating to deflect future snipers.

Yes, I agree, I was a little suspect of the nice stamping as opposed to the staggered stamping on my 70 Trans Am XP block and also the seller is not a nice person. Thanks Again.