[johnta1]

North has sent me a lot of Judges I didn't have. I have added them to mine for the web page. It would take some to separate his from mine.

But I don't think I got the DON 17 zone 24 that is missing.

I am re-looking at all the PHS' to see if I can find it or any I might have missed.

BTW, just to make sure, on that web page, if you click on the top (Gold color) heading it will sort by that column, example sort by VIN click the gold VIN and click again for reverse sort. (ascending or descending)

Or click to sort by DON, Ident #, or Zone etc.

[johnta1]

Here is the list from other thread I think.

Mine are in bold and one's with asterick is one's North didn't have.
I sent him mine that he didn't have and he sent me his.
So hopefully all are in there except that one DON 17


Bold is mine; * is not in North's data

01 - 29, 54, 57, 64, 65
02 - 46, 51, 70, 74, 76, 119
03 - 19, 34, 35 40, 49, 55, 55, 67, 78
04 - 45, 46, 51 52, 59
05 -
06 - 44, 46
07 - 27, 40, 52
08 - 18, 41, 58 35 *
09 - 21, 24, 27, 41, 42, 54, 56, 66
10 - 32, 59, 73, 77
11 -
12 - 21, 49, 59, 61, 64
13 - 39, 41, 45
14 - 22, 33
15 - 22, 31
16 - 43, 62 30 *, 50 *
17 - 20, 29, 42, 43, 56, ?,58
18 - 29, 35, 47, 51, 61, 71 81 * 22 *,
19 - 17, 27 24 *
20 - 17, 31, 45, 47 none
21 - 33, 35, 55, 72 53 *
22 - 51 none
23 - 17, 45, 71, 86 29 *, 60 *, 85 *
24 - 17, 19, 51, 62, 80, 89, 103, 106, 118, 119, 29 *, 143 *, 95 *
25 - 26, 32, 45, 53 *, 61, 62, 63
27 - 34, 37
28 -
29 - 17, 36, 58, 61, 71 (?) *, 81 *

BTW, there have been a few added since this was made. (at least three I think maybe more)

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The Zone sections I am listing separately in Post #40
Are your current listings by Zone ,
Compared to Norths listings by Zone .

J - John
N - North

I will get the rest done in a little while.
In Zone #1 you have a 58 and he has a 57 , as one example.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

I see some emails about Buildsheets. Thanks !
Will check them out after I finish going through the two Zone list comparisons.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Zone 12
J - 21, 49, 59, 64
N - 21, 49, 59, 61, 64

Zone 13
J - 39, 39 again, 41, 45
N - 39, 41, 45

Zone 14
J - 22, 33
N - 22, 33

Zone 15
J - 31
N - 22, 31

Zone 16
J - 30, 38, 50, 62
N - 30, 38, 43, 59, 62

Zone 17
J - XX, 20, 29, 42, 43, 55, 56, 58
N - 20, 29, 42, 43, 55, 56, 58

Zone 18
J - 22, 35, 47, 71, 81
N - 22, 29, 35, 47, 51, 61, 71, 81

Zone 19
J - 17, 23, 24
N - 17, 24, 27

Zone 20
J - 17, 45, 47
N - 17, 31, 45, 47

Zone 21
J - 33, 53
N - 33, 35, 53, 55, 72


More later ......

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Zone 22
J - 51
N - 51

Zone 23
J - 17, 29, 60, 71, 85
N - 17, 29, 45, 60, 71, 85, 86

Zone 24
J - XX, 19, 29, 51, 62, 80, 95, 103, 118, 119, 143
N - 17, 19, 29, 51, 62, 80, 89, 95, 103, 106, 118, 119, 143

Zone 25
J - 26, 32, 45, 53, 61, 62, 63
N - 26, 32, 45, 53, 61, 62, 63

Zone 27
J - XX, 34, 37
N - 34, 37

Zone 29
J - XX, 17, 36, 61, 71, 76, 81
N - 17, 36, 58, 61, 71, 81

That's all the confirmed cars.
Some are dangling as unconfirmed or not enough info to substantiate yet.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Revised - Quick View List

01 - 29, 54, 57, 58, 64, 65
02 - 46, 51, 68, 70, 74, 76, 119
03 - 19, 34, 35 40, 49, 55, 55, 67, 78
04 - 45, 46, 51 52, 59
05 -
06 - 44, 46, xx
07 - 22, 27, 40, 52
08 - 18, 35, 41, 58
09 - 21, 24, 27, 41, 42, 54, 56, 66
10 - 32, 59, 73, 77
11 -
12 - 21, 49, 59, 61, 64
13 - 39, 41, 45, xx
14 - 22, 33
15 - 22, 31
16 - 30, 38, 43, 50, 59, 62
17 - 20, 29, 42, 43, 55, 56, 58, xx
18 - 22, 29, 35, 47, 51, 61, 71, 81
19 - 17, 23, 24, 27
20 - 17, 31, 45, 47
21 - 33, 35, 53, 55, 72
22 - 51
23 - 17, 29, 45, 60, 71, 85, 86
24 - 17, 19, 29, 51, 60, 62, 71, 80, 85, 89, 95, 103, 106, 118, 119, 143, xx
25 - 26, 32, 45, 53, 61, 62, 63
27 - 34, 37, xx
28 -
29 - 17, 36, 58, 61, 71, 76, 81, xx

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

John can you review the documents on these 2 cars ?
We aren't supposed to have any repeat numbers in the same Zone.
Showing 2 cars as #39 in Zone 13 on your list.

13 00039 486100 B156002 99? - - - -
13 00039 511449 B158185 992 - 02/20 Griffith Motor Co Neosho MO

[johnta1]

I have changed it to a question mark. Not sure why I had it in that zone?


Here is the PHS







If someone has the zone/dealer info, would be great to have.
I think it was in an auction or something?

[Held for Ransom]

So, do you guys have this one listed as 03-35? Or is it 25 (looking at build sheet)"

[johnta1]

It is zone 03 DON 00035


The build sheet number is at bottom usually left side? In your pic it is not showing.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom

So, do you guys have this one listed as 03-35? Or is it 25 (looking at build sheet)"

The order number along the top line of the text body portion on Framingham Bsheets is the actual order number on the Invoices.
It does appear to look like 25 there.

The number in the lower portion (that isn't there) on Framingham Bsheets is the unmodified car number.
Like the #1 / #17 car ,,,, and the #6 / #22 car

On the Invoice it could be either way (25 or 35)
But the Bsheet looks way more like 25

It's on the List as Car # Zone 03 - 00035 from 991 Lot

All the cars on my Revised Quick List that have Zone Order Numbers shown as XX are too sketchy to make out.
Some are blurry pictures where photographer wasn't steady , old super blurry freebie PMD Invoices , laminated copies with glare/reflection , etc...

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

John sent me some Fremont and Arlington samples that had both Invoice and Bsheet supporting documents.

Those 2 plants don't have that upper line in the text body portion that lists the Stripe/Decal colors in print along with the actual Zone Order Number like the Framingham sheets do.

Fremont and Arlington just have the actual Zone Order Number in lower left bottom portion.

No Atlanta Bsheet for Pattern Car yet , I don't think they printed Stripe Color line either though.

No Baltimore Bsheets have ever been found in an early 69 Judge.
I think some have been found in June/July cars.

Without my files I can't pull up samples of 69 Bsheets to see if any other plants had that Stripe Color line like Framingham did.
Would like to see another real legible complete Bsheet for another 69 Pattern Car from Framingham.
Besides the 29-00017 ,,,, VIN G125205 car

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by johnta1

I have changed it to a question mark. Not sure why I had it in that zone?
Here is the PHS

Thanks John
I listed it as XX in Zone 03 in my Revised Quick List
But it probably is Car 39 in a different zone , somewhere.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Revised Quick List has all the cars from John's and North's files combined.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

Thanks John
I listed it as XX in Zone 03 in my Revised Quick List
But it probably is Car 39 in a different zone , somewhere.

Small correction
Listed it as XX in Zone 13 , not Zone 03

[north]

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom

So, do you guys have this one listed as 03-35? Or is it 25 (looking at build sheet)"

I have that one as DON 035. My copy of the PHS seems clearer (probably not as compressed, I saved it in 2016).

[north]

I didn't have this one, and it put me to 600 Judge invoices!!

Originally Posted by johnta1

I have changed it to a question mark. Not sure why I had it in that zone?


Here is the PHS







If someone has the zone/dealer info, would be great to have.
I think it was in an auction or something?

[Held for Ransom]

Originally Posted by north

I have that one as DON 035. My copy of the PHS seems clearer (probably not as compressed, I saved it in 2016).

Mine came from a recent search, which is why I had to ask. And the one you attached is probably not as clear as the one you have saved.

[north]

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom

Mine came from a recent search, which is why I had to ask. And the one you attached is probably not as clear as the one you have saved.

I noticed that, when I look at my copy on my computer it is clearer than what I see here on the thread, must get further compressed during the upload.