[post toastie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Mfv0hzGj8 good info
on something that is junk

[KS circutguy]

Pretty much a hunk of garbage./

[Cammer-6]

but but its new
Paul does a good job of sorting stuff out

[mgarblik]

I watched the entire video carefully. Paul does a great job. This reminds me very much of the Chinese Quadrajets specifically. Just about all these Chinese knock-off parts end up like this. You could make a good transmission out of this Chinese piece. It would take about $1000.00 in replacement parts and probably 6-8 hours labor by someone really familiar with Muncie transmissions. You would need a mill for sure and possibly a lathe. So if you can't do the work yourself, your costs would exceed a nice quality rebuild of a used unit. Also the hardness of whatever they used for gears was unknown. I guess if the transmission was only used to move the car in and out of a trailer or to move it across an auction block, it might do. Sure wouldn't try to use it as delivered. Not the one Paul took apart anyway. Somewhat disappointing.

[unruhjonny]

interesting video - thanks for sharing this!

['ol Pinion head]

Thank you for posting this Post Toastie!

Everyone ordering new Muncie 4 spd parts should watch Paul's YouTube presentation of this Chinese mess. I'm betting eventually numerous of the problem Chinese parts will be blown out on eBay.

To recap the most glaring issues for the "ALL NEW" Chinese M22:
-the poorly copied shifter "arms" that are softer rockwell hardness & improperly machined & won't except original shifter rod levers. Paul's replacements are $145 for the pair.
-the poor design cluster shaft pin, needs to be replaced with Paul"s version for better front support.
-too deep mismachining of the recess in the rear of the case will have to be addressed.
-Speedo gear on output shaft is going to have to be replaced with one of the several original styles, or a correct reproduction.

-Don't like the appearance of the oddball casting number on the side of the case, but at least the seller is not trying to pass it off as an exact appearance "661" Muncie case.

The funniest thing about the Copycat bunch in China, a stock geared M22 is not the best choice out there, esp for many of us Pontiac guys. 2.20 x 3.31 is a horrible overall 1st gear ratio, 2.20 x 3.55 isn't much better. PTL they didn't copy to a high level of quality a new M23W.

In closing, Paul @ 5Speeds.com will be getting a decent sized parts order from me.

[Sirrotica]

I'm so disappointed that the 12 YO kid that assembled it is incompetent in the roll of transmission technician. The guys that spec the internal designs, materials, and are in charge of QC are probably at least 18 YO................

I just bought a Delphi coolant temp sensor. because Delphi used to mean quality. They got me on that one, upon startup the gauge read 250 degrees, and the cooling fans fail to energize even at 250 degrees. Ya got to love chineseium parts.

[mgarblik]

Working on cars today, the assumption has to be: these replacement parts are not going to fit without modification. That's a given. Then if it's electronic, no way in the world to know if it will function and if your lucky enough that it works, for how long? Even simple items like rear brake shoes for a Toyota. Worked on one yesterday. The shoe web was missing 2 holes for the self adjuster spring on each side. What the hell are you going to do? Tie up a rack while you spend all day looking for more defective parts......or drill new holes in the Chinese brake shoes. I think you know the answer. It's not going to get any better.

[Sirrotica]

The You tuber channel "Watch Wes Work" is something I watch occasionally. He is in a rural setting and works from a garage on his property.

In the latest one I watched he's working on a late model Wrangler and had 6 hours into just sourcing the parts for it due to wrong parts in the wrong boxes. A thermostat and a lower ball joint, plus the ball joint he got to replace the wrong boxed part was defective, and didn't match the one he was installing in the other side by dimension, even though both parts were stamped with the same part numbers, he had to source another one and drive 40 miles to get it. He quoted 4 hours for 4 ball joints and replace the thermostat, and had roughly 10 hours on that job because of poorly made and wrong boxed parts.

On almost every show he has trouble either sourcing the correct parts, or parts that aren't defective out of the box. You can't charge the customer for all the extra trips and phone calls, so he uses the income from You Tube to defray the costs of wrong/defective parts.

He said the parts problem has gone from roughly once a week, to every day in the last 5 years, I have no reason to doubt that statement.

I'm really glad at this point that I'm retired, and only have to keep my own junk running, no customer deadlines.

[Scarebird]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

...PTL they didn't copy to a high level of quality a new M23W.

In closing, Paul @ 5Speeds.com will be getting a decent sized parts order from me.

I bought a M22Z from Paul a dozen years ago - good guy, nice setup.

In hindsight I probably should have kept it instead of the TKX (nothing wrong with the Tremec but miss the Rockcrusher whine...).