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twinturrbo406 · 07-11-2015, 04:14 PM

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Stan, no it was not KO. I don't think it was a guy that had done a whole lot and he didn't have a lot of posts. But he seemed very genuine in his thoughts.

I don't remember what the guys user name was. By chance have you checked the cylinder wall thickness on the turbo 301 block?

... absolutely, my 301Turbo block has been thoroughly tested by 2 seperate sonic testing ... 4.155 will clear all day long ...

PAUL K · 07-11-2015, 04:28 PM

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... absolutely, my 301Turbo block has been thoroughly tested by 2 seperate sonic testing ... 4.155 will clear all day long ...

That's interesting... those Pontiac engineers sure had it going on!

Hooter · 07-11-2015, 05:14 PM

Larry Quinn's been running 8's for years pulling monster wheel stands with his 62 Catalina. Plenty of YouTube videos if that's what you're looking for.

JSPONT · 07-11-2015, 06:41 PM

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Larry Quinn's been running 8's for years pulling monster wheel stands with his 62 Catalina. Plenty of YouTube videos if that's what you're looking for.

That is an awsome car watched it many times! The cars the are going back and forth on this thread are 7 second cars, well 1 is so far. Hope we will see the other soon.

7T2 · 07-11-2015, 09:38 PM

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Larry Quinn's been running 8's for years pulling monster wheel stands with his 62 Catalina. Plenty of YouTube videos if that's what you're looking for.

larry is a great guy- anybody that doesn't know him should take the time to introduce at Norwalk (just plan on an hour to kill- lol)

but his '62 cat is an exhibition car, comparing it to a refined, max effort n/a car is hilarious... but that's the internet

PAUL K · 07-11-2015, 10:03 PM

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Since you have run low ten's you are faster than a lot of guys making posts in this thread. In fact, if you made it down the track you are doing better than a some of them!

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... really ??? ... by the way that reads this man has what it takes to do high end development work on cylinder heads ?? ...

... could you be anymore out of context with a statement like that ?? ...

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I think you may be confused, as I am with your statement?

There is more than one guy posting in this thread that has not run faster than low ten's in their car also there are guys here posting that have never raced a car down the track. What does that have to do with cylinder head work? Or "out of context "?

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... simple, because when we (CV-1 Guys) meet a goal, we relay this information on the forum, and many so called experts or racers words gets rammed in that dark place, and before you know it all those racer type comments start popping up, like what have i driven, how fast have i gone down the track etc. , it's like they think it's a right of passage or some BS, but my development work has been challenged from day one, and development is a process, meaning it takes time ...

... the level of work that I've accomplished at my job for example, is very high end, meaning my port development has made well over 2000hp N/A, but yet my work gets questioned by plumbers ??? ...

... I'm a cylinder head guy, that's what's relative so when Jack and his left nut start making retarded statements like 150hp more than my CVwhat heads on Fulton's engine, or the chamber is f'd up or the head isn't properly designed, does anyone here start asking them about what cylinder heads they've developed, or how much power are they responsible for concerning their cylinder head work ??? ...

... well, no, they don't do they ??? ...

... what is relative, is, i want to know what ALL of you non-believers will say IF Fulton hands Jack his ass ??? ...

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I'm still not making the connection to going down a race track or running faster than low ten's.

Are you referring to me in the "all of you non-believers" comment?

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(1st question ) ... that's my point, neither do i, CV-1's have been close to mid 8's N/A with Calvin's Fusion heads on 484c.i's and as fast as 176mph on a 535c.i N20 combo in Robin's T/A, and Fulton's car should provide a lot of insight as to where we stand with my work, simply asking what we've (CV-1's) done max effort N/A before even an engine like Fulton's N20 combo has been built & raced is a bit preemptive don't you think ? ...

(2nd question) ... if you're not a non-believer then certainly not, but if you are then yes ...

I'm soooo confused!

slowbird · 07-11-2015, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 7T2

larry is a great guy- anybody that doesn't know him should take the time to introduce at Norwalk (just plan on an hour to kill- lol)

but his '62 cat is an exhibition car, comparing it to a refined, max effort n/a car is hilarious... but that's the internet

So what should it be compared too? Also how many max effort Pontiacs do you think there are?

PAUL K · 10:48 PM

[QUOTE=65nss4spdGTO;5431199]I'm guessing a low 10 second ride with d-ports would require you to juice that car? At 3750+ lbs, your engine would need to be making over 750 HP if it's NA, a big task for a small port headed engine on street style compression.

There is no spray on JSPONT's car and it's a true street car. There's a cool video of it on YouTube.

7T2 · 12:02 AM

against my better judgement,,,
but i just had to post a little nugget about who twinturrbo bill refers to as lil jack's 'left nut'... because its so damn FUNNY!!

gach just posted on his site in the JSpont thread #5:

"No I know exactly were your coming from, Marty ran a 6.95 over 10 years ago with Turbos and yep e-heads. I know him quite well because I bought those heads off him."

what a hoot! we all know what he says about our work and cv-1's...
PROOF that everything posted on that site should be taken with a grain of salt, cuz everyone knows marty ran iron 62's--

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=768488

BruceWilkie · 07-11-2015, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

I'm guessing a low 10 second ride with d-ports would require you to juice that car? At 3750+ lbs, your engine would need to be making over 750 HP if it's NA, a big task for a small port headed engine on street style compression.

There is no spray on JSPONT's car and it's a true street car. There's a cool video of it on YouTube.

Clever wording there Paul.
It is a nice car and correct about no spray.

So why forget to mention the turbo and boost ?

Real basic simple combo that is very affordable. No reason he wont see 9's or better as he steps it up.

Dont need aftermarket heads for even 1000+ horsepower turbocharged. There are several very fast iron head turbo'd Pontiacs. A fairly heavy 69 GTO street car in the 8's over in iceland. Basic 455 with mild ported 197 round ports. Jeff Palazzo was into the 9's way back with a turbo'd 455 2 bolt block 6h heads and a Performer intake no less.

JS, if you are following, Bill has a nice 6x8 Port that out flows an out of box RPM head with a 2.10 valve(292 cfm). Its a a safe port, not razor thin, welded, or epoxied. However you can buy CV1 heads with identical ports to Mr fultons for a reasonable price. I witnessed that port development 3 years ago. There are bigger ports as well as smaller ones for smaller motors. Choose one that best meets the application and it will get cnc'd accordingly. The as cast version is plenty for lots of apps.

twinturrbo406 · 07-12-2015, 01:20 AM

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So what should it be compared too? Also how many max effort Pontiacs do you think there are?

... i would say not many, what's your opinion ?? ...

slowbird · 07-12-2015, 08:16 AM

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... i would say not many, what's your opinion ?? ...

Agree 3-4 tops (that's probably pushing) but every time a comparison is made between a cv1 car and another car the claim is it an unfair comparison because the other car is max effort. Which lead me to believe there are lots of max effort Pontiacs out there.

GREATGTO · 07-11-2015, 05:32 PM

I said we would race Langer . We were going to build a dedicated race car at that time, it was a 63 tempest. Car would have been capable of going up or down to race in the weight range of 2500-3200 lb . for whoever wanted to race.

Nothing far fetched about it, Langer was caught in a lie and I said we would race him and that he was going down. Outrageous right? lol

I never said we would beat him by xy or z. I think he was running 830's or 40's at that time. considering a smaller n2o engine just made over 1100 hp
I feel no reason to believe looking back on it now a 572 N/A engine with ports designed for N/A application in that tempest would not have a better than average chance at winning that race. I stand by that to this day.

Yes plans changed and the tempest was sold. So the race never happen obviously.

Funny how what I said gets twisted around saying he was going to get his ass busted or we would beat him by xyz when nothing of the sort was ever said.

GREATGTO · 07-11-2015, 05:50 PM

The main reason a short deck block is needed in my mind is not for durability or for making more hp. The main reason is for being able to fit traditional style Pontiac blocks in newer model cars like 3rd and 4th gen firebirds and even 2004-2006 gtos. You can buy these cars so cheap right now that are in good cosmetic condition, no rust, all interior intact, t-top cars, convertibles etc.

Reason a lot of guys got out of cars is they cannot afford restoring a 60's or 70's car from the ground up then stick a 10,000 dollar street engine in it. Take the car needing everything out of the picture and it becomes more affordable.

GREATGTO · 07-12-2015, 05:34 PM

I don't know what changes Fulton has made to his chassis or the rest of the driveline but its not too often you can make changes without other changes needing to be made after testing the car at the track.

Looks like Norwalk will be the testing ground with better results later on after the car is dialed in a bit. Nothing wrong with leaving everything else the same to create a baseline for future adjustments and or upgrades.