[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Nooooo, I called you guys streeters. Jason has a Pro Mod with a vin.


GTO George

Oh, thanks for clearing that up.... I hope it was a compliment. On another note I heard the Lions are interested in Cutler.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Oh, thanks for clearing that up.... I hope it was a compliment. On another note I heard the Lions are interested in Cutler.

For a back up to our back up!


GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

What's funny about it? A 340 cfm standard port and pushrod location head that pushes a door car to 3.90's in the 1/8th at 190+ mph...who else has made a 340 cfm standard pushrod and port location head that has done that?

Very True. Have always been impressed with how well all of the 405 Street Guys can manage the power and for the most part get down the track.

Course there have been cases like the Daddy Dave Truck where the owner had some tuning issues over the past couple of years.
When Dave was driving, the truck looks like it was on a slot car track set of rails. Very impressive for sure.

Tom V.

[slowbird]

Pretty much all this proves is turbos with a little nitro mixed in can make any head look good. Makes you wonder how fast a set of iron d-port or round ports could go with turbos.
Disclaimer, you have to know how to get the car to work and apply the power and chief and crew most differently know how to do that.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Pretty much all this proves is turbos with a little nitro mixed in can make any head look good. Makes you wonder how fast a set of iron d-port or round ports could go with turbos.

If it's that simple you should strap a couple of hair dryers on your hi-ports and show the world how it's done. 3.50's should be a slam dunk!

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

If it's that simple you should strap a couple of hair dryers on your hi-ports and show the world how it's done. 3.50's should be a slam dunk!

Now your being a jerk. Your saying that Justin's e heads will make more power then any other Pontiac head out there. If that was the case how come Justin couldn't qualify at Indy?

GTO George

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

If it's that simple you should strap a couple of hair dryers on your hi-ports and show the world how it's done. 3.50's should be a slam dunk!

Never said it was simple, you have to know what you're doing and i haven't a clue, i'll refer to your knowledge on the matter

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by slowbird

Never said it was simple, you have to know what you're doing and i haven't a clue, i'll refer to your knowledge on the matter

I'm sorry....didn't mean it like it sounds....I was just helping you get your car in the 3's. Lots of people talking about the Eheads not being that good....but no one is stepping to the plate.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Now your being a jerk. Your saying that Justin's e heads will make more power then any other Pontiac head out there. If that was the case how come Justin couldn't qualify at Indy?

GTO George

Didn't mean to be a jerk....Justin skull dragged every other car at Indy running stock style heads like he has.

[JSPONT]

After 700 hp on the street it becomes very hard to hook a car. Those guys know how to tune a suspension and yes there traction control helps but they are good, real good.
Last street race I was at 2, 8 second cars, 1/4 mile race, wow they come by fast on the top end.
I know some do not like it but it is impressive to see cars hanging the front tires for 300 feet on the street.

The 405 takes it to a real high level. I do like fast small tire cars better. It's even more impressive.

[ponjohn]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

After 700 hp on the street it becomes very hard to hook a car. Those guys know how to tune a suspension and yes there traction control helps but they are good, real good.
Last street race I was at 2, 8 second cars, 1/4 mile race, wow they come by fast on the top end.
I know some do not like it but it is impressive to see cars hanging the front tires for 300 feet on the street.

The 405 takes it to a real high level. I do like fast small tire cars better. It's even more impressive.

Chief specifically said in the podcast he does not run traction control.

[JSPONT]

some of them do, I know the sonoma did.

[blueghoast]

Originally Posted by ponjohn

Chief specifically said in the podcast he does not run traction control.

Yea I think he foot brakes it with a two step. LOL
Sorry I couldn't help myself.

GT.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

I'm sorry....didn't mean it like it sounds....I was just helping you get your car in the 3's. Lots of people talking about the Eheads not being that good....but no one is stepping to the plate.

No one has ever said there (e head) wasnt a OK head, they are what they are and no more! Ever other head out there flows better then the e head. If you know what your doing numbers make a difference. Like I said before Pro Mods don't run e-heads for a reason. Just saying!


GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

No one has ever said there (e head) wasnt a OK head, they are what they are and no more! Ever other head out there flows better then the e head. If you know what your doing numbers make a difference. Like I said before Pro Mods don't run e-heads for a reason. Just saying!


GTO George

"They" are the most powerful dyno proven Pontiac head on the planet. I believe they are third and fourth on the fastest Pontiac 1/4 mile list and one of the two E-headed cars is an 1/8 mile car.The other two vehicles on the list don't use commercially available heads. So would it be plausible, with all the better choices of heads out there nobody wants to go faster than they're going?? Or are you saying none of these guys know what they're doing? Why wouldn't some of these guys bolt on the "better" heads and go run deep into the five's?

George, if you changed fuel in your car and cranked up the boost how fast would you run?

[GTOGEORGE]

Dyno numbers are only numbers. I've rarely seen dyno numbers equivalent to the same numbers on the drag strip. The e-heads have decades behind them and because of that there are far more racers with e-heads on there cars. As for one off billet heads except for the Visner all the other heads can be bought in cast form. Speed cost money, most Pontiac racers are cheap, only few are willing to set it out (money & time), the ones that do are rewarded. Butler , KRE, Cooper, Welter, Justin, etc. all have a lot in common.....not enough time or money.......no MEGA company's here! You wanna go fast how much time & money you got......it's pretty simple. E head can't compare to the Warp 6. Visners CV head, DCI RA5 head are two heads with more time on them WILL easily surpass the e heads.
My engine runs on alcohol.....what ifs are silly! I'll run any car with any head, anytime....same boost, same weight....same day....same strip with my HP heads. I'll be at Norwalk.


GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

As for one off billet heads except for the Visner all the other heads can be bought in cast form.


GTO George

The Boss Bird doesn't run readily available cylinder heads. Warp 6 heads availability is sketchy. The Eheads are readily available and depending where they're purchased from qualify for free shipping... "what if's" are silly...but you keep talking about how one day all these other heads are easily going to out power the Eheads.

Btw... I doubt I'll be at Norwalk

[Elarson]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

"They" are the most powerful dyno proven Pontiac head on the planet. I believe they are third and fourth on the fastest Pontiac 1/4 mile list and one of the two E-headed cars is an 1/8 mile car.The other two vehicles on the list don't use commercially available heads. So would it be plausible, with all the better choices of heads out there nobody wants to go faster than they're going?? Or are you saying none of these guys know what they're doing? Why wouldn't some of these guys bolt on the "better" heads and go run deep into the five's?

George, if you changed fuel in your car and cranked up the boost how fast would you run?

A little more detail on the Fastest list:
#1 Warp 6 - limited availability
#2 our billet RA5 - not available, built for ruggedness, not ultimate flow
#3 Tiger heads
#4 e-heads
#5 (I don't recall)
#6 E-heads
#7 Tiger
#8 Warp 6
#9 Warp 6?
#10 Warp 6

So 4 different heads represented....a nice variety in my book.

Eric

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Elarson

A little more detail on the Fastest list:
#1 Warp 6 - limited availability
#2 our billet RA5 - not available, built for ruggedness, not ultimate flow
#3 Tiger heads
#4 e-heads
#5 (I don't recall)
#6 E-heads
#7 Tiger
#8 Warp 6
#9 Warp 6?
#10 Warp 6

So 4 different heads represented....a nice variety in my book.

Eric

Thanks Eric, I agree! It's to bad none of the heads on that list are readily available except for the Edelbrocks.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Elarson

A little more detail on the Fastest list:
#1 Warp 6 - limited availability
#2 our billet RA5 - not available, built for ruggedness, not ultimate flow
#3 Tiger heads
#4 e-heads
#5 (I don't recall)
#6 E-heads
#7 Tiger
#8 Warp 6
#9 Warp 6?
#10 Warp 6

So 4 different heads represented....a nice variety in my book.

Eric

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Thanks Eric, I agree! It's to bad none of the heads on that list are readily available except for the Edelbrocks.

Paul,
Way are these not readily available?

Stan