[PaulatFast]

Originally Posted by John Langer

I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight. I cringe on what I had in those heads...

Well John, I appreciate your efforts! What did those heads flow if you don't mind me asking? What kind of power did you make with'em?

[John Langer]

They were right at 380 and made 991 on my 525 back in 2006.

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by cfmcnc

A GOOD cook will know the difference.Bill C.

Then I guess the cook sould have sent the crap back and got a refund - as he didnt get what he ordered. But I guess thats what us cooks get for trusting a supplier.

[ts128a]

the first time i went out with the tiger out of the box my car picked up 1 tenth and 2 mph over the highly ported wensler that was with the wensler intake that had epoxy in it to match up the ports. I want to thank Frank and Bob for helping pontiac racers raise the bar! then when we started to change things around we went our fastest with the tigers and a the tre intake thanks ALL PONTIAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cfmcnc]

Originally Posted by cgeise

Then I guess the cook sould have sent the crap back and got a refund - as he didnt get what he ordered. But I guess thats what us cooks get for trusting a supplier.

And a bad cook will blame poor results on the ingredients.Bill C.

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by cfmcnc

And a bad cook will blame poor results on the ingredients.Bill C.

Anyone else getting hungry with all the cook talk? Lol

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by cfmcnc

And a bad cook will blame poor results on the ingredients.Bill C.

I guess the real question should be -- How many guys can only get 875 to 925 Hp - out of heads that came thru your shop - Im guessing - -No - I know its 20 fold the number that are making 1050 -- so with all do respect to Bob and Frank -- The ingredience that YOU have contributed to this reciept have soured the end result.

[cfmcnc]

Target Horsepower for Tiger Race Ready head pkg is 875-940HP in a high compression engine .The Tiger CNC full port catalogue head has made 1076HP,any one can purchase this head from Allpontiac,Owning the Tiger full port does not guarantee that everyone will make same power and its possible some very knowledgeable people will make even more power with same catalogue head.Bill C.

[TEMPERMAN67]

I think Tommy Thompson might be in this
family making over 1000 hp with the tiger
heads, at 3500 lbs.

[Flyin79bird]

I'm at 1050hp...540" MR1 w/HP's and Wenzler Gustram...it's in my dads 68 Bird...car is fresh and for sale...if it doesn't sell the motor is going into my 80 Fairmont X275 car w/ a single 4 and 1 kit. I'm thinking it could be a contender to run 4.9/5.0's @ 3150.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Originally Posted by Flyin79bird

I'm at 1050hp...540" MR1 w/HP's and Wenzler Gustram...it's in my dads 68 Bird...car is fresh and for sale...if it doesn't sell the motor is going into my 80 Fairmont X275 car w/ a single 4 and 1 kit. I'm thinking it could be a contender to run 4.9/5.0's @ 3150.

i would love to see a pontiac motor in x275 and kick some ass!! 4.9's would be tough for sure but some 5.0's and are defineately possible.

[greggutknecht]

Im pretty sure theres a car on butlers site that runs none wideports and runs 5.17/138 in a mustang.

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I guess the real question should be -- How many guys can only get 875 to 925 Hp - out of heads that came thru your shop - Im guessing - -No - I know its 20 fold the number that are making 1050 -- so with all do respect to Bob and Frank -- The ingredience that YOU have contributed to this reciept have soured the end result.

The way i read this, this makes bill look good. All most as if you are saying Bill can make sh*t taste like ice cream. (not calling your stuff sh*t Frank, but you know that)

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by Flyin79bird

I'm at 1050hp...540" MR1 w/HP's and Wenzler Gustram...it's in my dads 68 Bird...car is fresh and for sale...if it doesn't sell the motor is going into my 80 Fairmont X275 car w/ a single 4 and 1 kit. I'm thinking it could be a contender to run 4.9/5.0's @ 3150.

Hell Yea

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Flyin79bird

I'm at 1050hp...540" MR1 w/HP's and Wenzler Gustram...it's in my dads 68 Bird...car is fresh and for sale...if it doesn't sell the motor is going into my 80 Fairmont X275 car w/ a single 4 and 1 kit. I'm thinking it could be a contender to run 4.9/5.0's @ 3150.

What does it run now in the 68 bird?

[bryansMtngto]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I guess the real question should be -- How many guys can only get 875 to 925 Hp - out of heads that came thru your shop - Im guessing - -No - I know its 20 fold the number that are making 1050 -- so with all do respect to Bob and Frank -- The ingredience that YOU have contributed to this reciept have soured the end result.

Not sure how this post should be taken?? is he complaining or complementing?? If he expects a head out of the box to automaticly give power gains eh havnt seen that happen to often. Most heads dont care if CNC'd or not still need some finishing work or more to get optimum performance from my experiance building motors. Dont care if it Chevy,Pontiac,Dodge, etc.. or and Aftermarket company.I really dont look at #'s if a guy states a head will give a HP improvment, cuase it all depends on the total Package. a cylinder head is not a magic wand for HP.
Have had enough customers thru my doors with parts expecting to get a #. and when they dont get pissed. It's the sum of the parts and how they work together. All builders can do when confronted with this situation is make recommendations if the guy supplying the parts dont want the extra work done, then they get what they pay for.

[bankbook]

Originally Posted by john marcella

The way i read this, this makes bill look good. All most as if you are saying Bill can make sh*t taste like ice cream. (not calling your stuff sh*t Frank, but you know that)

Definitely agree with this statement, look what he did with my junk.

Bills a good chef!

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by john marcella

The way i read this, this makes bill look good. All most as if you are saying Bill can make sh*t taste like ice cream. (not calling your stuff sh*t Frank, but you know that)

Let me make sure its clear - by "you" - Im not refering to Bob or Frank

[Flyin79bird]

Originally Posted by slowbird

What does it run now in the 68 bird?

NT...but the motor sounds a helluva lot better than a 540" rat motor w/.880"s lift.

If I run the car, it will mostly likely see an 8.0/.10's without a problem @ 2600lbs. When I built the motor I told KRE I wanted to run 8.0's @ 2600 lbs and this is what they built me.