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Locally, at that price you could probably find yourself in a 70-73 Formula - if not a TA - definately in a minty '74 TA.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I have read the other thread thanks.
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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The thread you posted on the 73 Formula, why not look at it?
Don't think it was a Ram Air car but looked very nice and cheaper? (plus I'm one of those 70-73 body guys )
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73 In Renton WA
Seattle is a long ways from Calgary but I have not ruled it out. That car is the same color combo as the 73 Esprit I sold. The 73 is a nicer car to my eyes.
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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On NADA, when I looked at a '74 Formula 455 w/Rally II wheels, I got a 20% and 5% increase on $15,300, for $19,125 (of course it asked for my zip). Add another 10-20% for RA??? I may be a little low on my estimates, but not by much.
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Thanks Mike
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Rich Johns Owner/Operator of Pure Stock Auto Restorations Inc. www.purestockauto.com 1969 GTO Judge Ram Air IV M21 4 speed 3:90 1970 GTO Judge Ram Air III M21 4 speed 3:90 Oshawa Built 1970 GSX Stage 1 M21 4 Speed 3.64 # 67 of 678 Original Paint 1970 GSX Stage 1 Auto 3.64 # 603 of 678 12.44@109.73 mph 2011 Buick GS Nats Pure Stock, 12.71@110.64 mph PSMCDR 2011 1970 GS Stage 1 Convertible Auto 3:64 12.71@109.15 mph PSMCDR 2009 1970 GS 455 M21 4 Speed 3.42 1987 GN Astro Roof |
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By 1974 there just weren't many people ordering cars with 455's, let alone cars sneaking out with functional hoods. So to find one 43 years later...well.... If it were me selling a real documented 74 455 Formula ram air muscle car that runs and drives in this condition with a rock solid paper trail, I wouldn't take a penny less than $20k here, and I'm confident it would sell easily at that price. Anyone that wanted it for less I'd tell them to keep looking, this car isn't for you. These cars are getting older and harder to find every day, good ones more so. As the car gets older, the price just goes up, They don't get cheaper. If you plan to keep the car for at least a few years, the car should appreciate at least a small amount. As the 70-73's continue to climb in price and out of reach for most, the 74 and up will continue to gain in popularity. This is already happening to some degree. |
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Really? Must be not minty 70-73 cars?
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With earlier "Ram Air" car, you got a whole package, not just a functional hood; These cars, like it or not, it used the exact same engine as a full sized sedan would get. The option was called "ram air hood inlet" for a reason - the option ONLY affected the hood and air cleaner. There is no direct comparison for 73-74 Formulas with this option, because the option as applied to 1970-1972 cars was substancially different;
Don't get me wrong, it is a neat option, but in my opinion it shouldn't add more than say a wheel option to the base value of the car; I personally wouldn't think that two identically opted cars sided by side - with only the presence or absence of the 'ram air hood inlet option' to substantially differentiate the value; I am pretty sure the same would be said for 1971 455HO cars with or without the option. Would it add something, sure, but alot, no. To try to draw a comparison or three: You won't see 1970 Formulas having a substantial difference in value for M20 vs M21; Nor any substantial value difference for M20 cars with 3.55:1 vs 3.73:1 You will see a substantial difference in value between 1973 Formula 455's with the 4spd vs the auto; But I doubt that anyone would pay more for a 1973 Formula 455 with the auto and the 'ram air hood' option over a 1973 Formula 455 with a four speed and a non-functional hood. But hey, these are my opinions, and it's yours which matters. I would just feel bad if I didn't speak up, and you had some sort of buyers remorse after purchasing a car.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) Last edited by unruhjonny; 04-27-2017 at 11:27 AM. |
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no.
There is a substantial jump for 70-73 cars; even nadaguides reflects this. But I would wager a minty 74 TA could be had for that money.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I am still waiting to hear if the engine & trans are original or not. It is a YY code block but we could not make out the VIN on the block when I viewed the car last week.
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. Last edited by oldsmobiledave; 04-27-2017 at 12:31 PM. |
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nice!
That is a beautiful car!! I love the colour combination too! Those "horsecollar" seats are really nice too.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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I don't have the sheet, but my guess would be the 160 is low. The price difference between the 400 and 455 was only $57.00. Price difference between the 400/4 speed and the THM400 was $36.00.
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A 160 74 Formula's with Ram Air. Believe it or not I have had 3 of those in my live. I currently own a 74 SD 455 Formula with an Automatic and NO A/C. Did you know there were less NON A/C Auto's made than 4 spd's. Yet everyone will pay more for a stick.Rare dose'nt always mean it's worth more. People will still pay more for a T/A yet there were far more of them than Formula's.JMO.
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Some guys they just give up living And start dying little by little, piece by piece, Some guys come home from work and wash up, And go racin' in the street. Bruce Springsteen - Racing In The Street - 1978 |
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I am weighing my options between the 455 Formula (NOM) with an asking price of $24000 USD & a 1974 Trans Am with original 455 (but not original M40). and an asking price of $22250 USD. The Formula is in Alberta & will not require an Out of Province Inspection where as the TA is in British Columbia & will need OOP inspection. Transportation costs & OOP inspection add $1000 to the cost of the TA, Both cars are M40 no a/c with 3.08 anti spin, power windows & tinted glass on Rallye 11s. And of course there is always the option to buy neither & wait for a 70-73 car.
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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@ Oldsmobiledave: I hate to say it, but from an investment standpoint, the Trans Am is a better buy.
@ SD455DJ: That looks to be a beautiful car, and from the pictures, the only non original part I can see is the dash insert which you mentioned - unfortunately the Formula that OldsmobileDave is looking at needs some work to get to your car's level. Personally, I also prefer the colour combo of the Formula you shared over the one here in Alberta.
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1970 Formula 400 Carousel Red paint on Black standard interior A no-engine, no-transmission, no-wheel option car. Quite likely one of few '70 Muncie three speed Formula 400's left. 1991 Grand Am: 14.4 @ 93.7mph (DA corrected) (retired DD, stock appearing) 2009 Cobalt SS: 13.9 @ 103mph (current DD; makes something north of 300hp & 350ft/lbs) |
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Own many Olds including 1972 442 W-30 (last 4 speed W-30 built); 1970 Cutlass W-31 #s match auto 3.91s; 1965 442 461 cid BBO & Richmond 5 speed; 1987 442 with 470 cid SBO 11.37 @ 119.4; 1972 442 524 cid BBO race car 10.89 @ 122.5; 1973 442 350 automatic black & white; 1980 GMC 468 cid BBO powered. Past owner of an original paint 1973 Esprit. Looking for the keeper 1970-1974 Pontiac F body. |
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