[spieker]

I've done a couple of searches here for an engine builder called Awesome Engines in Delaware. They have a website that offers a couple of crate engine options. Here's the link:

http://awesomeengines.biz/pontiac-40...crate-engines/

Has anyone here had any dealings or motors built for them? Good quality or experiences? Their prices seem too good for what they do. Thanks guys and gals!

[i82much]

I don't know anything about those guys and they could be the best engine builders on the planet. But, I've heard a lot of horror stories. If you want a Pontiac engine for 5k, consider these guys:

http://www.lenwilliamsautomachine.co...ong_Block.html

Very good reputation in the Pontiac community. I have not used their services but they have been around for a long time and I've heard a lot of good things about them.

[spieker]

I’ve heard a lot of good things about Len Williams too. Just wanted some responses on this company. Maybe their website is dated and not kept up?

[Richie Hoffman]

Can’t build a engine for myself for that price

[ponyakr]

Originally Posted by Richie Hoffman

Can’t build a engine for myself for that price

I've heard several other engine builders say similar things.

At the very least, some have said that price would not leave much profit.

I've asked questions of some of Len Williams' customers. The common thread seems to be that they are well satisfied with the product. But they all said he's a little slow. But, considering the long waiting line at some of the big name Pontiac engine builders, I don't think a few months wait is out of line.

Some have said that they think his prices are so low because he does a lot, if not most of the work himself. I assume that most of the big name guys have more overhead, therefore must charge more to keep the doors open.

I've noticed that his prices have gone up a bit, in the last year or so. But still the cheapest prices I'm aware of from any Pontiac engine builder with a good rep.

I'm guessing that he probably builds a good engine, but does not go into all the very meticulous details that Paul Carter has described here.

From what I've seen, most of the big name Pontiac engine builders, charge very near $10k, for a decent complete longblock, and some well over that. There are lots of Pontiac guys that simply can't spend $10k on the engine. That's a fact.

For a while, Paul Sandoval had a "budget" 400 block stroker shortblock for under $4k. Now it's $5k, plus shipping.

http://www.sandovalperformance.com/engines

According to Len's website, his 400 block stroker shortblock is $3795. And I assume you could get a forged crank upgrade for an extra $400 or so. So, it appears that most could buy the forged crank version for about $4500 shipped.

http://lenwilliamsautomachine.com/455_Short_Block.html

The next best deal I'm aware of is the ready-to-assemble stroker shortblock kits from Butler. Forged cranks are $450 extra. So, if you can assemble it yourself, or have somebody who can help you, or do it for you, for a reasonable price, this might be a good deal for some.

https://butlerperformance.com/i-2445...tegory:1234783

Many of the Pontiac engine builders don't publish online prices. For example: I don't know exactly what a forged crank stroker shortblock would cost from KRE, DCI, Paul Knippen, or Paul Spotts. I think Cliff has posted that he's quit building engines, because there's just not enuff profit in it, for the labor required.

http://www.krepower.com/Pontiac%20Street%20Engines.htm

http://www.dcimotorsports.com/servic...ngine-builder/

https://www.facebook.com/PaulKnippensMuscleMotors/

Paul Spotts does show some base prices on his site. Don't know how current they are. The base price listed for his 505 shortblock hasn't changed now in several years.

http://www.spottsperformance.com/rebuild.htm

http://www.spottsperformance.com/IA2%20engine%20block2

If anybody would like to post any current engine prices they know, it might be helpful to some here.

[indymanjoe]

A friend of mine has a Len Williams built motor. 8yrs and no issues. just a pump gas 455 that runs

[ponyakr]

There's an Ebay builder with a 100% positive rating. He shows a 400 build, a 455 build & some ready-to-bolt-on 6x-8 heads. Don't know anything about him.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rebuilt-400...MAAOSwAa5ahzHr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rebuilt-455...gAAOSwf5Ba9HXq

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-400-45...4AAOSwlThcBtzw

http://dennysautomachineinc.squarespace.com/

Then there's Blue Monkey. Anybody know anything about them ? Hey, I'm not promoting these guys, just posting info for Pontiac engines under $10k.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/455-Pontiac...n-C:rk:12:pf:0

http://bluemonkeyperformance.com/

Just happen to think of Nitemare. He is one of the high dollar builders who does post prices.

http://nitemareperformance.com/prices%20engines.html

[64speed]

Cmengines.com usually they require a core for a non standard brand but they do a lot of rebuilds for jasper and the like and have a very good reputation

[Lee]

Prices too-good, and a company name that sounds like an 8th grader came up with it - those are two big red flags that I've seen many times, leading to unhappy customers.

About 5 years ago I helped a guy out with his project, but I was limited on time to assist. We ended up getting a short block from Len Williams, a set of heads from Dave Bischopp @ SD Performance, then I had a cam custom ground and assembled it all. The owner contacted me a few weeks ago, the motor is still running great and he has been very happy with it.

[ftwmlp]

Originally Posted by ponyakr

I've asked questions of some of Len Williams' customers. The common thread seems to be that they are well satisfied with the product. But they all said he's a little slow. But, considering the long waiting line at some of the big name Pontiac engine builders, I don't think a few months wait is out of line.

Some have said that they think his prices are so low because he does a lot, if not most of the work himself. I assume that most of the big name guys have more overhead, therefore must charge more to keep the doors open.

I can second the notion that I was well satisfied with the product Len Williams produced for me. Being fairly close, I delivered my "core" block/heads/etc. to Len's shop in Tulsa. At that time (nine years ago), it was very much a one man operation, Len only. He told me he was moving to a new location in the near future, still in the Tulsa area, but I have had no further contact since my build was shipped back to me. FWIW, I would not hesitate to use his services again.
Mike Pearson

[OCMDGTO]

Spieker check your pm. You don't say where you live, if you're in Md/De I could give you a list of Pontiac guys

[Half-Inch Stud]

Spotts up the road from you knows every Pontiac engine detail, and Spotts wiil ger the machine work done by a fine shop. You can see his builds on Youtube. Paul will likely run-in the engine so you know for sure that is is all good.

[spieker]

Great advice from all of you...Thanks!

[goat1964-2004]

Paul spotts is a great Pontiac engine builder.

[72projectbird]

How is he able to offer Edelbrock heads for $1275? I'm assuming he buys them bare, and assembles them in house? Even still, I couldn't build get them that cheap.

[dhcarguy]

The pictures of the 65 tripower on Paul's site is mine. Including the wrong cooper choke lines.
They are correct now.

[dhcarguy]

I meant COPPER.

[HWYSTR455]

Originally Posted by 72projectbird

How is he able to offer Edelbrock heads for $1275? I'm assuming he buys them bare, and assembles them in house? Even still, I couldn't build get them that cheap.

Where are you seeing that?

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["QUICK-SILVER"]

Originally Posted by HWYSTR455

Where are you seeing that?

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Clay

[PAUL K]

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