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2nd gen F body/G.P. Procharger assembly
Here is the finished cad model with the belt wrap diagram for our new passenger side mount D1SC (P1SC) Procharger supercharger assembly. The mockup is 75% complete on a 1970 TA.
Kit will use factory alternator and power steering and can be used with V-belts or can use the March 6 rib aluminum serpentine pulleys. The kit is designed to fit the 1970 to 1981 F-body chassis, the 73-77 A-body and the 73 to 77 Grand Prix. Kit has the option to run a Sanden AC compressor off a V-belt or off of a 6 or even 8 rib serpentine drive belt. For the low hood clearance and shaker provisions on the TA/CanAm we have an optional rear AC hose end cap for the Sanden compressors. The kit allows the supercharger volute to be clocked as shown to go directly to a carburetor hat or be clocked low and go under the tensioner and over to the air to water intercooler that mounts in front of the passenger side fender well. The Vortech Ysi and T-Trim passenger side kits will be next. Any questions give us a call. |
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Looks good! We need more boosted Pontiacs out there.
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I think that Luhn Performance has a real handle on the belt driven Supercharger stuff.
I heard that they have a couple of Turbo Cars that they are working on so it should be a good years for them next year in the press. Tom Vaught ps Guys have been begging for a boosted engine with A/C, P/S, etc for years.
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"Engineers do stuff for reasons" Tom Vaught Despite small distractions, there are those who will go Forward, Learning, Sharing Knowledge, Doing what they can to help others move forward. |
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Mine has a/c and p/s........I want a car I can comfortably drive around a lot.
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I thought this was already available! What kind of time frame are we looking at for completion? (f-body)
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1971 Base Firebird..505ci IA 2A Round port E-heads by Butler 348 cfm.. Comp street SR 266/272@.050 Victor intake/Quick Fuel Q950. 1 7/8" Dougs headers..3" mandrel bent exhaust with Hooker Max Flow mufflers, T-350 well built with 10" 4000 stall nitrous Continental converter..3.73 posi . Caltracs and 10" slicks. Belt driven water pump, alternator, Pwr steering and brakes,Flex fan. 11:1compression, straight 93 octane pump fuel. 10.35 @ 129.88 with 1.45 60ft N/A at 3700lbs race weight. |
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I think that 1st Gen F-Body stuff is all covered both with Vortech and Procharger hardware.
2nd Gen should be covered now (with Procharger stuff) based on the post above and Vortech/Paxton hardware soon to follow for 2nd gen F-Bird. Tom Vaught
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"Engineers do stuff for reasons" Tom Vaught Despite small distractions, there are those who will go Forward, Learning, Sharing Knowledge, Doing what they can to help others move forward. |
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Very cool! How is the driveability with a properly set up carb?
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1971 Base Firebird..505ci IA 2A Round port E-heads by Butler 348 cfm.. Comp street SR 266/272@.050 Victor intake/Quick Fuel Q950. 1 7/8" Dougs headers..3" mandrel bent exhaust with Hooker Max Flow mufflers, T-350 well built with 10" 4000 stall nitrous Continental converter..3.73 posi . Caltracs and 10" slicks. Belt driven water pump, alternator, Pwr steering and brakes,Flex fan. 11:1compression, straight 93 octane pump fuel. 10.35 @ 129.88 with 1.45 60ft N/A at 3700lbs race weight. |
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And Dave they like the Tomahawk for boosted Pontiacs so you are set there!
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Skip Fix 1978 Trans Am original owner 10.99 @ 124 pump gas 455 E heads, NO Bird ever! 1981 Black SE Trans Am stockish 6X 400ci, turbo 301 on a stand 1965 GTO 4 barrel 3 speed project 2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune 13.43@103.4 1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project 1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs |
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A properly set up blowthru will act just like a NA car, until your into boost =
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Quote:
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Used their carbs in several applications in which they were used in Ironman and True Street competitions.
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Fastest Blow-thru Pontiac powered car in the Country 8.440@166.97 (3465lbs) Fastest Pontiac CV-1 car on the planet with only 6 passes on the combo: 4.80@147.65/ 7.49@180.12MPH (3365lbs) |
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Lookin good LPI!!!
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East Coast Mafia TTFMF Making CVWHAT's great again. I guess it took a deplorable ECM member to do it! Quote:
Fastest Blow-thru Pontiac powered car in the Country 8.440@166.97 (3465lbs) Fastest Pontiac CV-1 car on the planet with only 6 passes on the combo: 4.80@147.65/ 7.49@180.12MPH (3365lbs) |
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Has the ProCharger setup been checked for clearance using aftermarket control arms and/or the 'short' body bushings?
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. 1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2 http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624 1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be |
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Has the ProCharger setup been checked for clearance using aftermarket control arms and/or the 'short' body bushings?
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. 1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2 http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624 1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be |
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Hwy,
I can tell you that the procharger set up will clear the factory control arms for the driver's side mount. When I put TRZ's on I had even more room. I would assume the same deal would apply.
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East Coast Mafia TTFMF Making CVWHAT's great again. I guess it took a deplorable ECM member to do it! Quote:
Fastest Blow-thru Pontiac powered car in the Country 8.440@166.97 (3465lbs) Fastest Pontiac CV-1 car on the planet with only 6 passes on the combo: 4.80@147.65/ 7.49@180.12MPH (3365lbs) |
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Would be good to know. The Global West arms I have use the solid bushing, and with the nut, are much larger than the OE, or even some other arms out there. It's close with the brackets I have that Bruno used to make years ago. Also, if you run the drop body bushing like I and many do, it brings the hood down even closer. I don't believe I can run the '71 - up alt brackets, the hood makes contact. I'm not that happy with the brackets I have now, and fairly certain I'm going to have to do something about the idler location.
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. 1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2 http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624 1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be |
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Passenger side Procharger kit
Well after a long road of design changes, prototyping and more redesign we finally have a passenger side supercharger kit that uses the stock/factory power steering and alternator locations and offers the option to run the Sanden style AC compressors.
This kit will work with the Procharger D1SC and F1 series superchargers set up at the 2 O'clock oil slinger location. The kit will fit the 1971 to 1981 F body cars, the 1973 to 1977 A body cars and the 1973 to 1977 Grand Prix cars. The Vortech passenger side YSi trim blower kit is next. The system will work with the factory V belt steel pulleys. With a minor change to the crankshaft spacer the kit will work with the billet aluminum CVF V belt pulleys. The optional 6 rib serpentine accessory drive kit (pictures to follow) will be available shortly to work with the March Serpentine type pulleys. This system when used with AC will utilize a reverse rotation water pump and a smooth back belt drive water pump pulley. The brackets are available separate or as a complete assembly. The system will allow the blower volute to be clocked up to go directly to the carburetor hat when used without an intercooler or the volute can be clocked to point downward and allow the tubing to go to the front of the car to work with an intercooler. If you have any questions please give us a call or we will look forward to talking to everyone tomorrow out at Union Grove for the BOP days. |
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Belt wrap is the answer
Hwy,
These brackets will clear the aftermarket control arms on the F body cars. The car I mocked this up on is a Pro Touring 70 TA with the air ride suspension and the "Strong Arm" tubular control arms. When we use our carburetor Power Hat for the blow thru carburetor system we have a bracket that allows the use of the TA shaker assembly to work with the factory hoods. This way when you open the hood the shaker is where it was meant to be. The serpentine drive does lower the alternator and power steering. We are also looking at creating billet aluminum mounting brackets for the V Belt pulley arrangements which would drop the alternator and power steering to increase hood clearance. This will also be useful if you try and put an older two bolt motor mount block in a 2nd generation F body car. One of the main points of our system is the correct location of the idler and the multiple adjustable and directional change idlers. With these in place we increase the belt wrap on the supercharger and crank pulleys substantially. |
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You have my undivided attention! .
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. 1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2 http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624 1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be |
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Thank you, we try.
Next pictures will be mocked up in the 70 TA. Once that is accomplished then we will start plumbing for the intercooler and heat exchangers. We will post pictures as it comes together. |
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Here you go HWY,
Brackets mocked up in a 1970 TA. The volute can be clocked to go straight over to the carburetor with no intercooler or it can be clocked in a downward direction to allow the piping to go to the front of the car and connect to an intercooler. This car will have an intercooler system installed once completed. Also you can see in the first picture our oil drain back block installed in the timing cover as this car will be running a Vortech YS series blower which is oil fed like a turbo. These pictures also show the serpentine pulley Sanden AC compressor which will work with the reverse rotation water pump and March 6 rib serpentine pulleys to drive the alternator and power steering as well as the AC with one belt. If you have any questions please give us a call. |
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