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gunmetalgray67 · 06-29-2008, 10:58 PM

After reading the horror stories about Dougs I do not know what to do.
I need headers for my E-headed 467 in my 67 Lemans with a 4-speed. Heddman doesn't have any for 4-speeds. I want 1 7/8 or 2 in with 3 1/2 in collectors. Any suggestions???

b-man · 06-29-2008, 11:41 PM

I'd still buy the Doug's (1-7/8" primaries, 3-1/2" collectors), but without any coating.

They're a better fitting header than just about anything out there, the ground clearance really can't even be matched by any other brand of header and that's a huge deal with our cars.

Sure, some folks have had issues here and there. Horror stories? All the guys I know that run them have said they fit well and have excellent ground clearance.

If there is a small fit problem you can take care of it, then you can get 'em coated by a coater that you trust.

Then if the coating ever fails, you can deal directly with your coater.

It's always best to trial-fit any set of headers you buy before coating them if possible.

Just about any aftermarket part you put on your car should be test-fitted before coating, painting or chroming it just to be sure that it needs no additional work beforehand.

67blackcherry · 06-30-2008, 11:04 PM

I've had Doug's (ceramic coated) on my 'bird for over 3 years now, they still look great, tight fit in the early F-body but...I would've bought another pair for the LeMans but the 455 I'm building went WAY OVER BUDGET...

GTOLou · 07-05-2008, 10:49 PM

I've got a set of D-port dougs on my 69 gto and another set of Dougs d-ports on my 76 TA.

I had mine coated locally. I am very happy with Doug's headers. I will need a set of round ports for my 76 TA when I upgrade heads. Only issue I have with Doug's and those is that they don't have 2"+ primaries.

Hard to let one guy's bad experience ruin it for all. It won't for me.

crustysarge · 07-06-2008, 09:09 AM

Since I am the one who is having problems I would like to add to this post. I would say they are made well and agree if you buy them have them coated by another company. That said, remember most guys who have Doug's and are happy bought them before the sell to Pertronix...

GTOLou · 07-06-2008, 07:04 PM

I don't know - "who" made mine. I bought a set of Doug's for a 76 TA this spring (january-february) - so could have been pertronix. I got the impression that they had been in JEG's inventory for awhile (I'll be honest - I had to look everywhere and JEGs is the only outfit who had them, sooo - maybe they were from the previous maker??).

I bought a set of Doug's for may GTO a couple of years ago - no problems, but again, I had them powder coated locally.

I'll say this, my guy who powder coats my headers, says the black is good to 2000F and the silver is good to 1400F.

I am upgrading my TA to edelbrocks this winter and will need some round ports.. Whose headers to get as the Doug's are only up to 1 7/8 and I want 2" plus???

67blackcherry · 07-06-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crustysarge

Since I am the one who is having problems I would like to add to this post....

Geez, some people whine so much...just cause you MADE the post doesn't mean you get to ADD to it...

crustysarge · 07-07-2008, 01:26 AM

Yeah I know, I am in the corner being a little pissy boy...Now I have to yank the rusty headers to replace them, I will complain some when that happens.

67blackcherry · 07-07-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by crustysarge

Yeah I know, I am in the corner being a little pissy boy...Now I have to yank the rusty headers to replace them, I will complain some when that happens.

NO NO NO NO NO...you made the post, you got to ask your question, that's IT! Now you have to listen to everybody's expert advice...get with the program, would ya?

crustysarge · 07-07-2008, 02:31 PM

Oh alright, but my last word, buy Hedmans and get them coated.

67blackcherry · 07-07-2008, 09:54 PM

Well Sarge, good luck with whatever you buy...what car are they going on?

Goin' Topless · 07-08-2008, 01:20 AM

I second B-Man's reply. Buy 'em bare, test fit them, then get them coated.

I bought a set of Doug's for my '70 Lemans and they are by far the best fitting headers I installed on that car. I coated them after my test fit and they have been problem-free ever since.

68WarDog · 07-28-2008, 05:36 AM

Goin topless , any problem with oil filter fitment/changing? I read once that the filter housing had to be removed for oil changes.

BVR421 · 07-29-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 68WarDog

Goin topless , any problem with oil filter fitment/changing? I read once that the filter housing had to be removed for oil changes.

If you have to do that you are either using the wrong housing or the wrong filter.

68WarDog · 07-29-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BVR421

If you have to do that you are either using the wrong housing or the wrong filter.

Is there a Doug/or other that has 2" primaries, 3 1/2 collectors for 68-72 A bodies that don't go around frames or cross members?Presently using 1 3/4 headman husslers and one primary requires some tweeking to clear upper pass. A arm.

David Jones · 07-29-2008, 08:58 AM

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=550283

I'd buy the Doug's.......

67blackcherry · 07-29-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 68WarDog

Goin topless , any problem with oil filter fitment/changing? I read once that the filter housing had to be removed for oil changes.

Something is wrong if that's the case....both my A-body's have headers (LeMans w/RARE, GTO w/Hooker or Hedman) and filter clearance is NOT an issue. My F-body with Doug's (and factory AC) is a royal PAIN but the filter housing does not need to be removed...

68WarDog · 07-30-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 67blackcherry

Something is wrong if that's the case....both my A-body's have headers (LeMans w/RARE, GTO w/Hooker or Hedman) and filter clearance is NOT an issue. My F-body with Doug's (and factory AC) is a royal PAIN but the filter housing does not need to be removed...

67blackcherry,my comment comes from a post IIRC from a PY member that had a yellow 69 GTO convertible with Doug's. I presently have NO oil changing issue(s) with the 68's Hooker Super Comp's or the 70's Headman Husslers. The 70 have rec'd race ported E's and I'm wanting to step up to a 2" primary set of headers that meet the criteria previosly posted.

Goin' Topless · 07-31-2008, 10:58 PM

I did have to remove the oil filter housing to get them in, but plenty of clearance around the filter when I bolted it back on.

Like I said before, it was the most trouble-free header install I ever did on a Pontiac.

gunmetalgray67 · 08-05-2008, 11:40 PM

OK, lets try this again.
Heddman does not make round ports for a 67 Lemans with a 4-speed. I do not see any 2 in. for 64-47 A-body on Hooker's site either. I want 2 inch primaries becuase of power level (600 +hp). I do not need to worry about the oil filter housing because I am going with a remote setup.
I really hate to have to "fit " the headers, then take off, mail out to get coated, wait, and then reinstall.
How much to get headers coated??

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