[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Jeff,
You and Lil Jack need to get your HP numbers synchronized.

Stan

Not really he made 998 on pump. showed 1030 in car. makes sense

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Did it to 7s on the spray?


After you copy Jeff's heads and intake you should make over 1,000 hp.

LOL! anything but. That there made you look not smart....just sayin. Sorry but true.

You have no Idea what john is capable of. I was running 9.0s/teens in 2004 with his stuff, we were the highest hp ehead then. Where were you guys. I'm still not willing to finance what he would like to do. Last year was on steel valves and a .400 offset rocker and small ports, think about it.

And not taking away from jeff or gaby either. kudos to them

Originally Posted by Scott Roberts

Am I wrong?

When it comes to wether gaby does/knows his way around a grinder. YES you are. gaby is a very competent engine development guy and knows his stuff. I'm sure he does not do every single aspect of everything himself either, like any business. When you go into a doctors or dentists office, are they all alone or is there a staff?
And by the way I'm not flaming you Scott in any way, more making a general point about how businesses should work.


Now if you hire john He's doing it all. Dam artists.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Not really he made 998 on pump. showed 1030 in car. makes sense

Dyno corrected HP = 998

Run at track shows 1030 HP (DA = - 1325 feet)

Got it.

Stan

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Dyno corrected HP = 998

Run at track shows 1030 HP (DA = - 1325 feet)

Got it.

Stan

The DA was no where near -1325'. Real racers work on there cars after they get it on the car.

[Badbird69]

Lil,

Let's compare HP/cu.in.

My 511" motor with run-of-the-mill wideports, 1.6 rockers on 110 fuel made 920 HP. That's 1.80 HP/cu.in.

Your 541" motor with Gaby heads, 1.8+ rockers and I'm guessing at least C16 or Q16 fuel made 965 HP. That's 1.78 HP/cu. in.

So tell me again how I can't make power? And how am I a "hater" for recounting my experience? It appears the CV-1 crowd has taken the high road here, while the usual loud mouths spew their BS.

According to your comrade Gach, even if my car goes faster with CV-1 heads, it still doesn't prove anything. So if head flow is meaningless, dyno results are meaningless and ET doesn't prove anything, what else is there?

Dick Fulton

P.S. I LOVE lining up next to a guy like you who runs his mouth. Lock it in, sucka !!

[john marcella]

Originally Posted by Badbird69

Lil,

Let's compare HP/cu.in.

My 511" motor with run-of-the-mill wideports, 1.6 rockers on 110 fuel made 920 HP. That's 1.80 HP/cu.in.

Your 541" motor with Gaby heads, 1.8+ rockers and I'm guessing at least C16 or Q16 fuel made 965 HP. That's 1.78 HP/cu. in.

So tell me again how I can't make power? And how am I a "hater" for recounting my experience? It appears the CV-1 crowd has taken the high road here, while the usual loud mouths spew their BS.

According to your comrade Gach, even if my car goes faster with CV-1 heads, it still doesn't prove anything. So if head flow is meaningless, dyno results are meaningless and ET doesn't prove anything, what else is there?

Dick Fulton

P.S. I LOVE lining up next to a guy like you who runs his mouth. Lock it in, sucka !!

Called out and bitch slapped, hahaha

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Badbird69

Lil,

Let's compare HP/cu.in.

My 511" motor with run-of-the-mill wideports, 1.6 rockers on 110 fuel made 920 HP. That's 1.80 HP/cu.in.

Your 541" motor with Gaby heads, 1.8+ rockers and I'm guessing at least C16 or Q16 fuel made 965 HP. That's 1.78 HP/cu. in.

So tell me again how I can't make power? And how am I a "hater" for recounting my experience? It appears the CV-1 crowd has taken the high road here, while the usual loud mouths spew their BS.

According to your comrade Gach, even if my car goes faster with CV-1 heads, it still doesn't prove anything. So if head flow is meaningless, dyno results are meaningless and ET doesn't prove anything, what else is there?

Dick Fulton

P.S. I LOVE lining up next to a guy like you who runs his mouth. Lock it in, sucka !!

Oh don't worry it's locked it.

The only thing that really matters is the ET slip, the rest I could care less.


And don't you have a sheet metal and two dominators to make that 920 HP?

[EPC_Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Badbird69

Lil,

Let's compare HP/cu.in.

My 511" motor with run-of-the-mill wideports, 1.6 rockers on 110 fuel made 920 HP. That's 1.80 HP/cu.in.

Your 541" motor with Gaby heads, 1.8+ rockers and I'm guessing at least C16 or Q16 fuel made 965 HP. That's 1.78 HP/cu. in.

So tell me again how I can't make power? And how am I a "hater" for recounting my experience? It appears the CV-1 crowd has taken the high road here, while the usual loud mouths spew their BS.

According to your comrade Gach, even if my car goes faster with CV-1 heads, it still doesn't prove anything. So if head flow is meaningless, dyno results are meaningless and ET doesn't prove anything, what else is there?

Dick Fulton

P.S. I LOVE lining up next to a guy like you who runs his mouth. Lock it in, sucka !!

Dick, What fuel do you use when you spray your car?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by EPC_Motorsports

Dick, What fuel do you use when you spray your car?

I heard you use Gray Goose!

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Brian,
My reply was based on the quote above from Mike.

Tuning and increasing HP after dyno testing does happen. But if the motor was re-dynoed it would produce higher HP.

Stan

true I suppose

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Dyno corrected HP = 998

Run at track shows 1030 HP (DA = - 1325 feet)

Got it.

Stan

Sorry but i don't think you do. There are several factors that effect the cars performance, more than just da. 3% is as close as you'll see car/dyno/a year of tuning, heck radials effect it.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Sorry but i don't think you do. There are several factors that effect the cars performance, more than just da. 3% is as close as you'll see car/dyno/a year of tuning, heck radials effect it.

Mike,
There are items which effect et / mph like DA which also reflect a change in HP. There are other items which effect et / mph like traction which reflect NO change in HP.

Stan

[S/st 54]

Thanks for the info Jim! That was good stuff.
My question for those who know is: is the 300rpm per sec
Or the 600rpm per sec and predetermined setting on every dyno and when the motor accelerates that's when the force put on the brake is measured(torque) OR is it the brake is set at Whatever amount of resistance and the torque the engine puts out determines xxxrpm per second????

If that made any sense....is that a valid question?

[johnta1]

From Larry Meaux's forum:

the SF-901 Software + Electronics control the Servo Valve on the Water Brake's discharge
so that in turn sets the amount of Load on the Engine and the Rate of Load -vs- RPM if you choose an acceleration test.

Its a computer controlled acceleration rate .... the Dyno tries to maintain that RPM/SEC Rate as best it can ,
it does vary a bit, but overall 600 RPM/SEC comes out around 600 RPM/SEC on average .

it takes about 1 second to turn the Test Rate knob to your choice
its that easy on a SF Dyno

Anytime you accelerate a mass it take force
the amount of force would be relative to where the mass is distributed from the axis or centerline of rotation ( Polar Moment of Inertia = PMI or POI )
Any rotational mass thats accelerating will loose more and more HP the faster you try to accelerate it .... and that includes any objects in the Absorber or Dyno that are
geared to or accelerating with the Engine

600 HP = So lets say you Dyno your Engine at zero acceleration test rate ( Steady-State )
585 HP = 300 rpm/sec acceleration test rate
570 HP = 600 rpm/sec acceleration test rate

so i ask you.... what HP would you input into a computer program to simulate how quick you would run in 1/4 mile ?

so to be fair and accurate , you would need to input a second value to represent the HP loss to Dyno test rotational inertia

so in a 1/4 Mile DragRace Simulation Program you might input 570 HP along with 600 rpm/sec so it becomes 600 HP @ steady state
or you input 585 HP at 300 rpm/sec and it becomes 600 HP @ steady state in the program
or you input 600 HP steady-state , and it remains 600 HP in the Program
so that all 3 combinations end up or equal to 600 HP in the program

then the computer program now knows the engine puts out 600 HP @ steady-state
now when the RaceCar launches off the starting line and revs + gear changes , etc,
the rpm/sec rate is vastly different from the Dyno rate
so down the dragstrip or track, the engine typically in first gear could be as high as 5000 rpm/sec in 1st gear on a 500 cid ProStocker
the computer program has to keep track of all component rotational inertia losses every .001 second or whatever you use as your time increment or time step .


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MaxRace Software
ET_Analyst ( DragStrip Simulation Software )
PipeMax ( Engine Simulation Software )
http://www.maxracesoftware.com

[mike leech]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Mike,
There are items which effect et / mph like DA which also reflect a change in HP. There are other items which effect et / mph like traction which reflect NO change in HP.

Stan

Are you being serious? You cant really think i don't know about da. In a car spinning, it will show less hp due to less et and mph.

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by mike leech

Are you being serious? You cant really think i don't know about da. In a car spinning, it will show less hp due to less et and mph.

Stan