#1  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:19 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Roberts View Post
At my little hp level with an IA2, I had cap walk... I ran the same mains for 12 runs... after that it was done.. that was roughly 2k hp...
So if I wanted durability, why would I buy a non skirted block? If I can get ahold of the tune on current blocks with no skirts, why do I need a billet version of the same...??
My point is this, I can run a car and changed out bearing all day long.. did that in the beginning with rod bearings to find the tune.( doubt you know what I mean there) if you do, let me know .. it's called reading a dead soft bearing...
You're over you head bud... best u can do is go away..kre uses the customer as a test mule... they are douchbags...
If you were killing bearings at 2000hp, it wasn’t the blocks fault. I plan to make that much with my 76mms, and I have no concerns about my bearings. Now, when I put the 91mms on it, maybe I’ll run into a problem. But I don’t expect that. I’ve talked with Travis for a long time on this combo, and bearing issues have never been a concern.

But hell, maybe I’m just over my head.

  #2  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:22 PM
Scott Roberts Scott Roberts is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,160
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
If you were killing bearings at 2000hp, it wasn’t the blocks fault. I plan to make that much with my 76mms, and I have no concerns about my bearings. Now, when I put the 91mms on it, maybe I’ll run into a problem. But I don’t expect that. I’ve talked with Travis for a long time on this combo, and bearing issues have never been a concern.

But hell, maybe I’m just over my head.
You are with your 10 year build ..the rubber hits the road after that first hit... wish u the best

  #3  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:28 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Roberts View Post
You are with your 10 year build ..the rubber hits the road after that first hit... wish u the best
I’m sorry that my build isn’t coming together quicker. I decided to build a car that no parts are made for, so I’ve had to build them myself.

As for any smart a$$ comments. I’ll try a little harder now to achieve my goals. Thank you

  #4  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:36 PM
Scott Roberts Scott Roberts is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,160
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
I’m sorry that my build isn’t coming together quicker. I decided to build a car that no parts are made for, so I’ve had to build them myself.

As for any smart a$$ comments. I’ll try a little harder now to achieve my goals. Thank you
I wish u nothing but the best in ur build.. that's the easy part.. once u hit the track.... that's when you need to be smart..
Again, wish u the best, I'm far the smartest here but I would be glad to help u out If can.
If u have Travis Q on ur side, ur golden..

  #5  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:40 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Roberts View Post
I wish u nothing but the best in ur build.. that's the easy part.. once u hit the track.... that's when you need to be smart..
Again, wish u the best, I'm far the smartest here but I would be glad to help u out If can.
If u have Travis Q on ur side, ur golden..
Actually you need to be smart at every step along the way...Aligning yourself with those that actually have been there and done it, and those that doesnt make it about spending on things that are not needed...I've been around this stuff for over 35 years, and I know what it takes to do what i'm trying to do...I dont plan to be Dirty Bird fast, but I plan to do what few others have done...

  #6  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:49 PM
Scott Roberts Scott Roberts is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,160
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
Actually you need to be smart at every step along the way...Aligning yourself with those that actually have been there and done it, and those that doesnt make it about spending on things that are not needed...I've been around this stuff for over 35 years, and I know what it takes to do what i'm trying to do...I dont plan to be Dirty Bird fast, but I plan to do what few others have done...
Sure u will come out swinging and stomp the piddly ass record we set... that is old news and history.. wishes u the best bud... if u have Travis on board, ur gonna lay down a number

  #7  
Old 02-12-2022, 02:40 PM
Tom Vaught's Avatar
Tom Vaught Tom Vaught is offline
Boost Engineer
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: The United States of America
Posts: 31,302
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Roberts View Post
I wish u nothing but the best in ur build.. that's the easy part.. once u hit the track.... that's when you need to be smart..
Again, wish u the best, I'm far the smartest here but I would be glad to help u out If can.
If u have Travis Q on ur side, ur golden..
Travis gave up on Pontiac Tuning and other tuning and has had a job as a NASA Engineer on the Booster Rockets side
of the Space Game working in Huntsville Alabama. So Travis might not have time to fit him into his work schedule.

As far as cap fretting goes, there was cap fretting on the 862 HP 2-bolt main, Luhn engine that ran at only 5300 rpm.
You don't have to be making 2000 hp to get it. That says that the main caps are "waving in the wind" which was
posted 10 years ago. Only way to help that is the Skirted Blocks.

Just saying, and saying, and saying. 10 years worth. "Engineers do stuff for reasons"

Tom V.

__________________
"Engineers do stuff for reasons" Tom Vaught

Despite small distractions, there are those who will go Forward, Learning, Sharing Knowledge, Doing what they can to help others move forward.
  #8  
Old 02-12-2022, 02:45 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vaught View Post
Travis gave up on Pontiac Tuning and other tuning and has had a job as a NASA Engineer on the Booster Rockets side
of the Space Game working in Huntsville Alabama. So Travis might not have time to fit him into his work schedule.

As far as cap fretting goes, there was cap fretting on the 862 HP 2-bolt main, Luhn engine that ran at only 5300 rpm.
You don't have to be making 2000 hp to get it. That says that the main caps are "waving in the wind" which was
posted 10 years ago. Only way to help that is the Skirted Blocks.

Just saying, and saying, and saying. 10 years worth. "Engineers do stuff for reasons"

Tom V.
Travis is not “hands on” on my build. He has been sharing valuable advise for years. I am grateful for everything he has told me so far.

  #9  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:29 PM
PunchT37's Avatar
PunchT37 PunchT37 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lafayette,LA
Posts: 3,349
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vaught View Post
Travis gave up on Pontiac Tuning and other tuning and has had a job as a NASA Engineer on the Booster Rockets side
of the Space Game working in Huntsville Alabama. So Travis might not have time to fit him into his work schedule.

As far as cap fretting goes, there was cap fretting on the 862 HP 2-bolt main, Luhn engine that ran at only 5300 rpm.
You don't have to be making 2000 hp to get it. That says that the main caps are "waving in the wind" which was
posted 10 years ago. Only way to help that is the Skirted Blocks.

Just saying, and saying, and saying. 10 years worth. "Engineers do stuff for reasons"

Tom V.
And, not just a skirted block, a cross bolted one. Big block mopars have a cap walk issues. They have a skirted block BUT, not cross bolted.

Hemi would be the exception.

The Following User Says Thank You to PunchT37 For This Useful Post:
  #10  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:25 PM
Scott Roberts Scott Roberts is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,160
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
If you were killing bearings at 2000hp, it wasn’t the blocks fault. I plan to make that much with my 76mms, and I have no concerns about my bearings. Now, when I put the 91mms on it, maybe I’ll run into a problem. But I don’t expect that. I’ve talked with Travis for a long time on this combo, and bearing issues have never been a concern.

But hell, maybe I’m just over my head.
On top of that, do u feel u need a billet block? No, u don't.... if u stepped up to 4k u might.. if u went that lev, would u want a billet skirted block of non skirted?
Here we are again with the dumbass kre block

  #11  
Old 02-12-2022, 12:32 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Roberts View Post
On top of that, do u feel u need a billet block? No, u don't.... if u stepped up to 4k u might.. if u went that lev, would u want a billet skirted block of non skirted?
Here we are again with the dumbass kre block
Damn Scott, I’ve never said I wouldn’t like to have a skirted block. I’ve just said that I can understand why they are building what they are building. Some of it is just smart business. Why build the best the first time, when you can offer a stepping stone that people will buy until you build the next level.

I get the fact that you have bad blood with them, and I don’t blame you at all. You can attack me all you want, and it will only make me smile and try a little harder to throw it right back in your face.

  #12  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:07 PM
PAUL K's Avatar
PAUL K PAUL K is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sugar Grove IL USA
Posts: 7,439
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
If you were killing bearings at 2000hp, it wasn’t the blocks fault. I plan to make that much with my 76mms, and I have no concerns about my bearings. Now, when I put the 91mms on it, maybe I’ll run into a problem. But I don’t expect that. I’ve talked with Travis for a long time on this combo, and bearing issues have never been a concern.

But hell, maybe I’m just over my head.
Not big on second hand info, but Big Chief had a huge bearing issue that was solved by Reher Morrison, not the folks you are talking with.

Usually, all things look great on the drawing board but sometimes don't go as planned once you leave the class room.

One will also find "issues" racing a quarter mile compared to an eighth. That last 660 ft can expose problems the eighth mile guy will never see.

__________________
Go fast, see Elvis!
www.facebook.com/PaulKnippensMuscleMotors
  #13  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:27 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PAUL K View Post
Not big on second hand info, but Big Chief had a huge bearing issue that was solved by Reher Morrison, not the folks you are talking with.

Usually, all things look great on the drawing board but sometimes don't go as planned once you leave the class room.

One will also find "issues" racing a quarter mile compared to an eighth. That last 660 ft can expose problems the eighth mile guy will never see.
I know exactly who solved Chief's issue...That doesnt change anything in my opinion...Its just one more thing learned along the way.

I'll share a perfect statement that I was told by a doctor while trying to save my wife...He said "nobody knows everything about anything"...That stuck with me ever since that day in 2002...

As for the 1/4 mile part of it..."IF" I was trying to go faster than any other Pontiac has gone, that would be one thing...My goals arent even to be in the top 5, so i think i'll be in good shape...

  #14  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:34 PM
PAUL K's Avatar
PAUL K PAUL K is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sugar Grove IL USA
Posts: 7,439
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
I know exactly who solved Chief's issue...That doesnt change anything in my opinion...Its just one more thing learned along the way.

I'll share a perfect statement that I was told by a doctor while trying to save my wife...He said "nobody knows everything about anything"...That stuck with me ever since that day in 2002...

As for the 1/4 mile part of it..."IF" I was trying to go faster than any other Pontiac has gone, that would be one thing...My goals arent even to be in the top 5, so i think i'll be in good shape...
Good to know. Now all you have left to do is get your feet wet.

__________________
Go fast, see Elvis!
www.facebook.com/PaulKnippensMuscleMotors
  #15  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:37 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PAUL K View Post
Good to know. Now all you have left to do is get your feet wet.
The water is running, and a stack of parts are ready to be assembled...

  #16  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:44 PM
PAUL K's Avatar
PAUL K PAUL K is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sugar Grove IL USA
Posts: 7,439
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
The water is running, and a stack of parts are ready to be assembled...
The easy part is turning on the water and acquirring the parts.... The hard stuff is ahead of you but I'm sure you'll get it done.

__________________
Go fast, see Elvis!
www.facebook.com/PaulKnippensMuscleMotors
  #17  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:46 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PAUL K View Post
The easy part is turning on the water and acquirring the parts.... The hard stuff is ahead of you but I'm sure you'll get it done.
For me, paying for the parts was the hard part...LOL...The rest is a matter of doing it with the right help.

  #18  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:36 PM
GTOGEORGE's Avatar
GTOGEORGE GTOGEORGE is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: South Rockwood, MICHIGAN
Posts: 8,884
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PAUL K View Post
Not big on second hand info, but Big Chief had a huge bearing issue that was solved by Reher Morrison, not the folks you are talking with.

Usually, all things look great on the drawing board but sometimes don't go as planned once you leave the class room.

One will also find "issues" racing a quarter mile compared to an eighth. That last 660 ft can expose problems the eighth mile guy will never see.
Wasn't his bearing issue due to an oiling issue that Chief was doing wrong........something simple?

GTO George

  #19  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:37 PM
opeliac opeliac is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 500
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE View Post
Wasn't his bearing issue due to an oiling issue that Chief was doing wrong........something simple?

GTO George
The lifter bushings were slotted.

  #20  
Old 02-12-2022, 03:39 PM
GTOGEORGE's Avatar
GTOGEORGE GTOGEORGE is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: South Rockwood, MICHIGAN
Posts: 8,884
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by opeliac View Post
The lifter bushings were slotted.
Maybe BUT he did have another problem........i just can't remember what!
Sometimes its the small stuff.

GTO George

Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:20 AM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017