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Old 03-13-2016, 05:45 PM
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The Monaco Grand Prix in the 60's.

Besides the obvious dude by BP Signage Pole - Take a close look at all of the people standing in harms way - like guy in door opening, peeps behind flimsy wood-wire fence...and how about that flammable hay barrier? Yikes!

But "that's how we rolled back then!"

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Default pics of the car that hit James Dean

"And "after" accident scene of his death from t-bone collison by full size '56 FORD station-wagon "


Looks to be 49 thru 51 shoebox ford. Mild custom at that.
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... 49 thru 51 shoebox ford. Mild custom at that...
'55 Pontiac side trim on Fords was a very popular custom touch.

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'55 Pontiac side trim on Fords was a very popular custom touch.
Thanks for that heads up! I thought for sure that was 55 Pontiac trim on that custom two-tone Ferd, which must've been somewhat expensive back then (in 1955) to have brand-new model trim, yes?

Remember my mothers' White "shoe box" '50 Ford was one of my favorites when I was a kid...I now laughingly recall telling him (my Dad) I didn't like that he sold it in trade for a '56 which was black & white factory paint...FWIW.

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U47, you'll probably enjoy this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZU03dmdFBc
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Yep, not a '56. The old Ford took the hit well. Looking at the noggin imprint in the windshield I suspect the driver did not fare so well.
In '95 I traveled that road (headed back from Santa Barbara) and saw the area where the wreck happened. From what I remember lots of orange groves nearby and pretty good visibility for that time.

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Yep, not a '56. The old Ford took the hit well. Looking at the noggin imprint in the windshield I suspect the driver did not fare so well.
In '95 I traveled that road (headed back from Santa Barbara) and saw the area where the wreck happened. From what I remember lots of orange groves nearby and pretty good visibility for that time.
That is cattle country and dry farming , and now part of the central coast wine country, though no vineyards in a ten mile radius from the impact site. No citrus at all. Citrus can't take the winter freeze in that whole central coast region east of the Santa Lucia coastal range and west of Lost Hills.
Donald Turnipseed, did not die in the accident. The car he was driving was a 1950 Ford business coupe.
In 1988 I bought my retirement house on the central coast. I retired in 2006. Before I retired I used to drive that stretch to my retirement house from So. Cal. once a month, that was for 18 years! I can't tell you how many accidents I saw at that intersection for 18 years. James Dean was not alone.

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"And "after" accident scene of his death from t-bone collison by full size '56 FORD station-wagon "

Looks to be 49 thru 51 shoebox ford. Mild custom at that.
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Yep, not a '56. The old Ford took the hit well. Looking at the noggin imprint in the windshield I suspect the driver did not fare so well.
In '95 I traveled that road (headed back from Santa Barbara) and saw the area where the wreck happened. From what I remember lots of orange groves nearby and pretty good visibility for that time.
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That is cattle country and dry farming , and now part of the central coast wine country, though no vineyards in a ten mile radius from the impact site. No citrus at all. Citrus can't take the winter freeze in that whole central coast region east of the Santa Lucia coastal range and west of Lost Hills.
Donald Turnipseed, did not die in the accident. The car he was driving was a 1950 Ford business coupe.
In 1988 I bought my retirement house on the central coast. I retired in 2006. Before I retired I used to drive that stretch to my retirement house from So. Cal. once a month, that was for 18 years! I can't tell you how many accidents I saw at that intersection for 18 years. James Dean was not alone.
You sirs are correct! Please excuse my error. I do believe I've previously read in a story that it was a '55 or '56 Ford wagon that crashed into Dean's Porche. Obviously those pix show the earlier body style FERD...

Please accept this accident recreation chart as a token of appreciation and remember to stay safe and



Edit: "Apparently" as the accident occurred in '55 prolly where I got my wires crossed on the yr of the FERD

Found this related info you may find interesting => Questions linger 50 years after James Dean’s fatal crash
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Well I guess that shows how badly my memory sucks from 20 years ago. Thanks for the correction. Unless there are orange groves further north, I expect it was the vineyards that I am thinking of.
How about the old restaurant he was rumored to have been at prior to the wreck? are you familiar with that?

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Modern accident reconstructed here with 3D imaging and explanation of Dean and his surviving German Mechanic passenger's final physical resting positions immediately post accident.
http://www.crashteams.com/Services/S...struction.html

"James Dean: Did He or Didn't He?
Hollywood bad boy ate his last meal in the Santa Clarita Valley. Maybe."

"Apple pie and milk.

It had been reported in the past to be possibly the last meal for legendary actor James Dean at a Tip's Restaurant in the Santa Clarita Valley on Sept. 30, 1955, just hours before his young life came to an end in a tragic auto accident near Paso Robles..."

http://www.scvhistory.com/scvhistory...8jamesdean.htm

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Old 03-14-2016, 01:11 AM
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Wie Es Wirklich War Mit James Dean
(How It Really Was With James Dean)
Christophorus No. 43 / 1960
Magazine for the Friends of the House of Porsche

http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/galler...1960jamesdean/

"...But there was really just one person who can report authentically about the last days and hours of James Dean, and about this terrible accident. That is the man who sat with him in the Spyder, who was badly injured in the accident and only after several months could walk again — the Porsche race mechanic Rolf Wütherich, who was working at the time with the Porsche representative for the American West Coast, Jonny von Neumann. After a yearlong stay in America, Wütherich has returned to Germany and is active in Porche's experimental division."

"As the legend about James Dean began to evolve, he lay in the hospital, not fit to be questioned. People interviewed him a few times in America, although it would be better to say they wanted to interview him; he said little to the media because up to this time, the question of guilt hadn't been settled. The lawyers advised him to be careful..."


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Those are actually the licensed Spanish version of the Messerschmitt Bf-109, the upright, Spanish manufactured 'Hispano-Suisa' engine being the primary difference. These are the type seen in most every WWII movie you see as the original German built planes are extremely rare in flying condition. Spain produced their version even after the war and I'll bet you that the 'warehouse' pic above is from some Hollywood backlot or at least of a group of planes used in some film like 'The Battle of Britain' which was released some time in the 1960s.

The original 'E' model used an inverted Daimler-Benz engine. Notice the difference in where the exhaust stacks are in the pics below and the distinctive spinner shape...



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Fan safety was not a concern back then...

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Fan safety was not a concern back then...

But fan stupidity was rampant. I can't understand why people would stand 12 deep along the edge of a cow path to see that stuff. It's no different than standing next to a target at the gun range because you don't think anyone will miss.

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I woudn't want to turn around and see this:
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Back around 1976 I went to skydiving school at Rhinebeck New York's Aerodrome and they had (2) two restored and air worthy Fokker Tri-planes on-site...I recall mostly the black painted one's features...and still amazed to think of the flimsy canvas construction....that worked in extreme war duty

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One of the coolest planes of WW2 was the Mosquito - Did some of the most daring raids of the War at tree top level - against Gestapo HQ's - shoot down the V1 Buzz Bombs etc. some would even come home with branches etc. stuck in their planes - they were good for 400 mph
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One of the coolest planes of WW2 was the Mosquito - Did some of the most daring raids of the War at tree top level - against Gestapo HQ's - shoot down the V1 Buzz Bombs etc. some would even come home with branches etc. stuck in their planes - they were good for 400 mph
Agreed! If you get a chance, watch the 1964 British movie "633 Squadron". It's all about a WWII Mosquito squadron (fictitious) and has wonderful, color footage of Mosquitoes in action. I had never heard of the movie until about 5 years ago when it popped up on cable. A must for WWII warbird fans!

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One of the coolest planes of WW2 was the Mosquito - Did some of the most daring raids of the War at tree top level - against Gestapo HQ's - shoot down the V1 Buzz Bombs etc. some would even come home with branches etc. stuck in their planes - they were good for 400 mph
And they were made of plywood!!

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And ... they were made of wood.
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Agreed! If you get a chance, watch the 1964 British movie "633 Squadron". It's all about a WWII Mosquito squadron (fictitious) and has wonderful, color footage of Mosquitoes in action. I had never heard of the movie until about 5 years ago when it popped up on cable. A must for WWII warbird fans!

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Good movie One real raid they helped many resistance fighters escape from a prison by bombing the thick walls and hittng the guards at noon when they were in the mess hall
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