[jdw_poncho]

Originally Posted by RAIV-Z

I was looking at these inserts. I'd also like to add thread inserts on the exhaust bolt holes.
http://www.timesert.com/

Yes, I'm seriously looking at O-rings and dry deck. I haven't taked the pan off yet, the oil filter new, I believe it was replaced after the last dyno session.

I was assuming the thicker inserts would get you into better materail. Loctite has a higher temp thread locker than the standard red. You might check into it if you end up installing inserts.

[RAIV-Z]

Originally Posted by mechanickeith

Timecerts is the kit I used on a certain set of highly modified Wensler Superchiefs thats in a FED on 96% nitro. We had issues with the very end rocker stand studs pulling out. Was not an issue with the inner ones as each inner stud had one on each side for support. But the end ones was a different story. After the inserts were installed, no more issues. IIRC,,I used the deapest insert available for the stud used, .750.

Some of the rocker stud holes will need much shorter inserts, as they are nowhere near .750 deep. If I recall, the material depth over the intake ports is less than .500. With isky adjustable guide plates installed, the intake rocker studs protrude through the intake runners ~.100.

What were you running on the Superchief's for cam lobe lift, rocker ratio and spring pressure?

[LMSRACER]

What about this Ed,

Since the Rocker Shafts are going to be custom, how about adding additional "Countersunk" fasteners through the rocker shaft's base. You can space the extra fasteners between the current rocker stud holes. Picture adding additional threaded inserts, maybe of a smaller diameter, between the current holes that you would have already upgraded with enlarged threaded inserts.

The hardness of the aluminum is the issue and additional fasteners may be the answer.

My

Thanks,
Larry S.

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http://www.precisionautomotivespecialists.com

[BrandX]

Sorry to see you having all these issues. I'm surprised you haven't sold the lot and called it quits!!!!!! Glad to hear you are talking to the right people and getting things lined out. I still can't believe the engine was not o-ringed during the build...that's crazy with a boosted engine with 10 bolt heads.....

Good luck and seems like you are staying optimistic thru all of this.

[RAIV-Z]

Originally Posted by BrandX

Sorry to see you having all these issues. I'm surprised you haven't sold the lot and called it quits!!!!!! Glad to hear you are talking to the right people and getting things lined out. I still can't believe the engine was not o-ringed during the build...that's crazy with a boosted engine with 10 bolt heads.....

Good luck and seems like you are staying optimistic thru all of this.

Thanks,
One way or another I’ll finish building this twin turbo 535 “insert head”.

There’re a lot I still can’t believe… From what I've seen so far, I’m sure there will be more when the rest of the engine comes apart for inspection.

Pieces of the lot will be for sale, but I don’t think there will be much interest in certain parts though.

[RAIV-Z]

I do have a theory as to why all the rocker stud holes had to be welded up and relocated. Take a look at the picture of the mockup RA-V head used to fabricate the headers on the left and compare that to the one on the right. It looks like all the rocker stud holes were originally drilled in the wrong location.

[67'7F6'Bird]

Vendor Reputations mean nothing with a Disgraceful engine build as this, Lynn McCarty and BES should be ashamed of putting out such a POOR quality engine which with-out even run by you needs to be completely rebuilt and all these problems corrected and more problems to be resolved when the oil pan comes off. Hopefully there are no metal shavings in the oil pan.

What about all the wood shavings all over the engine when it was delivered.

The oil drain back holes were drilled to high.

It looks like all the original rocker holes were drilled too far to one side. What a mess!

Can't you Return the heads due to being improperly machined, Less then the Quality you would expect from a New Head.

ZERO CUSTOMER SERVICE = I'll take my business elsewhere.

Oh, and - If the Part works on a "Super Stocker" then disregard all manufacturers specifications. Blah Blah Blah......I Disagree.

[GTO Tiger 572]

I cant even believe this is a BES engine, quite shocking

[Jim Yanoski]

Come on Lynn... you should make this rite..... we are all watching !!! ......... Jim

[J.C.you]

all i can say is....the 620 better not turn out this way.

[Dragncar]

Now, I have looked at this thread, stopped reading it and now have come back to it.
Those rocker pads look like they have been beat on with a hammer. Hard to believe it came out of BES shop like that. Not saying it did, or did not but WOW.
Never liked the choice of rocker arms. I do not use dies cast aluminum on anything.
I consider them junk. And then they "cut" on that junk.
Would not use that balancer on a 600HP street engine either.

But the "shavings" behind the bolt is pure fishy. Those shavings are from a metal lathe and would never come out of a engine for any reason. They came from a machine shop floor.
Are you sure they were not put there on purpose and a pic was taken of it ( it could never happen in real life) to embarrass or publicly shame someone who you now have a problem with.
I can see you being upset. But those shavings did not come from any engine. There is no way they can appear in that spot. Unless someone at the shop decided for some reason to put them there (and why would they want to do that) or the person who received the engine put them there and took a picture.
If those "shavings" were "packed" behind that bolt at 160 foot pounds they would be crushed flat. Not laying there like they were tossed there for a photo shoot.

There are things us looking in from the outside do not know about either side. It is all kind of strange in this weird public way.
But something about this whole thing does not pass the smell test.
Good luck to both sides.

[RAIV-Z]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Now, I have looked at this thread, stopped reading it and now have come back to it.
Those rocker pads look like they have been beat on with a hammer. Hard to believe it came out of BES shop like that. Not saying it did, or did not but WOW.
Never liked the choice of rocker arms. I do not use dies cast aluminum on anything.
I consider them junk. And then they "cut" on that junk.
Would not use that balancer on a 600HP street engine either.

But the "shavings" behind the bolt is pure fishy. Those shavings are from a metal lathe and would never come out of a engine for any reason. They came from a machine shop floor.
Are you sure they were not put there on purpose and a pic was taken of it ( it could never happen in real life) to embarrass or publicly shame someone who you now have a problem with.
I can see you being upset. But those shavings did not come from any engine. There is no way they can appear in that spot. Unless someone at the shop decided for some reason to put them there (and why would they want to do that) or the person who received the engine put them there and took a picture.
If those "shavings" were "packed" behind that bolt at 160 foot pounds they would be crushed flat. Not laying there like they were tossed there for a photo shoot.

There are things us looking in from the outside do not know about either side. It is all kind of strange in this weird public way.
But something about this whole thing does not pass the smell test.
Good luck to both sides.

Good one… Out of all the issues “posted so far” you picked the one found be a 3rd party.

The metal shavings were found by the chassis shop when they removed the balancer bolt to install the front plate. The shavings were behind the bolt, not the washer. The picture you are referring to was taken after they picked the metal out of the hole. Below is the before picture. Both pictures were taken by them.

I also called Tony and asked how that could have happened. He explained that it could have been missed when the crank was cleaned by his guys, as the top of the crank is higher than eye level. All they do is reach up and stick a blow nozzle in the hole to clean it out.

Feel free to ask any questions or PM me with your number if you’d like to discuss my integrity or need any clarification about issues posted thus far.

[BruceWilkie]

Whats the saying... two sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere between???

30+ years in business to business as a service tech many times caught in the middle between what sales sold and what customer bought. That old saying always applied. Sometimes most of blame was on the sales side other times it was the customer who was more to blame. Maybe 3 incidents I recall where our sales person was totally to blame and once for sure it was the customer (a former employee). Everything else fell in the area somewhere between.

I've no dog in this fight not going to take sides. I do think this forum, especially the race section, is not the right place or way to resolve this matter.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by RAIV-Z

Good one… Out of all the issues “posted so far” you picked the one found be a 3rd party.

The metal shavings were found by the chassis shop when they removed the balancer bolt to install the front plate. The shavings were behind the bolt, not the washer. The picture you are referring to was taken after they picked the metal out of the hole. Below is the before picture. Both pictures were taken by them.

I also called Tony and asked how that could have happened. He explained that it could have been missed when the crank was cleaned by his guys, as the top of the crank is higher than eye level. All they do is reach up and stick a blow nozzle in the hole to clean it out.

Feel free to ask any questions or PM me with your number if you’d like to discuss my integrity or need any clarification about issues posted thus far.

I have been to Tony's shop in the last 6 months and looked at every machine that he has and how the work was processed. Really confused on how the "shavings" could get there.

Production Harmonic Balancers typically have a very snug slip fit but will still slide on to the crank snout. Some of the aftermarket balancers are a press-fit. If the balancer was was a "press fit" and later honed for a slip fit I can see some material possibly being in that area. Chips of metal, do not think so. Is the balancer a "slip fit" balancer?

The only way that chips could be there is if the crank manufacturer did not clean that area of chips when they machined the bolt threads and Tony's guys did the air hose deal and the chips still did not come out.

Tom Vaught

[67'7F6'Bird]

Originally Posted by BruceWilkie

Whats the saying... two sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere between???

30+ years in business to business as a service tech many times caught in the middle between what sales sold and what customer bought. That old saying always applied. Sometimes most of blame was on the sales side other times it was the customer who was more to blame. Maybe 3 incidents I recall where our sales person was totally to blame and once for sure it was the customer (a former employee). Everything else fell in the area somewhere between.

I've no dog in this fight not going to take sides. I do think this forum, especially the race section, is not the right place or way to resolve this matter.

Lynn washed his hands to this build and PM'd me to let me know and it's not even my engine - Go Figure.

[cgeise]

From all the bad press this engine has gotten - If I were him Id run far away also -- It dont look pretty!

[RAIV-Z]

On a positive note:

Rear end parts have been ordered and the fuel pump will be delivered this week.

[GTO Dan]

Sad...just sad.

I hope this all works out for you in the end.

This whole saga is just a shame.

[RAIV-Z]

Waterman Mini-Bertha cable driven fuel pump and accessories showed up today.

[jdw_poncho]

Originally Posted by RAIV-Z

Waterman Mini-Bertha cable driven fuel pump and accessories showed up today.

Did you get a mandrel drive with it as well? I ended up using a ATI mandrel but have doubts about it being ok on the street while running a alt pulley off of it. Im looking at mounting a alt pulley then the mandrel for the pump to get the stress off of the mandrel.

Better buy a few extra belts, I ended up purchasing a few spare belts from my local Motion industries. If you mount the drive off a aluminum motor plate you'll see flex in the plate when you try to tighten the belt. Without the trans attached I could move the motor back and forth just by squeezing the belt between the pulleys. This caused me a belt tracking issue when the trans was bolted up. Just a FYI