[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by cfmcnc

1320FT=What seperates the Internet Experts from the real players,Yup.Bill C.

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[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by Jim Zeek

The cost of these heads are cheap compared to the cost of building a car capable enough and safe enough to handle the power to be made. You guys talk about high horsepower heads and engines when 90% of the people out there don't have a car that can handle that amount of power. Even a 9 second car would need over 20K put into it in upgrades to be able to use ANY high horsepower head on the market.

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I have seen Pontiac car show guys spend more then a race engine cost on the exterior and chassis and nobody smack talks about them?????????

If money spend is a persons problem about the money one wants to spend to go fast, then I guess one should stay home and watch ESPN..

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by Travis Q

Calling a 481X a BBC is like calling a BAE 8X a Desoto Hemi.

As far as Jack's new cylinder head goes, I call it a symmetrical port Pontiac.

No different to me than a SBX head on a small block chevy, or a Sonny's hemi head on a BBC. It's still a Chevy, but with a more appropriate head for some applications.

No, I would call it a 426 Hemi head. While most Chrysler 426 hemi heads were the standard street head. They did make / offer (D5) for racing heads with different valve incline angles and a shallow combustion chamber that could not use the standard stands and rocker gear.

Stan

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by cgeise

I guess if you consider hard questions that some seem to not want to address constructively as slash and and burn, that's your interpretation. I have never been a cv basher -- there results speak for them self, they seem to be what there claimed to be , a street head. As far as the RA V program that seemed to have screwed over the RAR-Z program, that was just wrong. If the reality is your all butt hurt because you bought a product that has worked very well on other applications and you couldn't make it work, maybe its time to look in the mirror or question your helpers recommendations. There is cause and effect with every thing we do on a race car, If you buy a product that has produced the proper effect many times over, maybe its time you looked at the cause.

Nice paragraph

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Killer port Pontiac head Jack.

Thumbs up dog

[Elarson]

Development at the high end of the technology food chain eventually helps the racer with the more modest program. 18 years ago, a ported set of E-heads was cutting edge. Now look.....

Eric

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Originally Posted by Elarson

Development at the high end of the technology food chain eventually helps the racer with the more modest program. 18 years ago, a ported set of E-heads was cutting edge. Now look.....

Eric

And then around 315 cfm before wideports and CNC 350 cfm std pushrod location E-heads.

[ponjohn]

Originally Posted by PONTIAC DUDE

And then around 315 cfm before wideports and CNC 350 cfm std pushrod location E-heads.

WOW 315 was the high water mark?

[Aaron Quinton]

Yep, that's right. When the E-heads first come out the hight water mark was the 310 cfm jobs from Butler. My 400 made 620 hp with those heads, a KRE ported Warrior and a 1050 Dominator on pump gas at 11:1 compression. That was back in the mid 90's when those heads where as good as you could get.

Wow have times changed. We are VERY lucky to have the aftermarket support for Pontiacs today. KRE. Edelbrock, Allpontiac, BOP, Roland Racing, and Visner and others who have invested their time and money to support the development of the Pontiac engine. Thanks to all of these companies who have help us move the Pontiac engine forward.

Look at Buick, Olds and Caddy's and tell me we aren't doing great. It's good to be a Pontiac person!

Originally Posted by ponjohn

WOW 315 was the high water mark?

[Daniel Barton]

Don't let the ding dongs, liars and morons bother you brother.... we know the truth! The heads look like a nice start Jack, valve placement looked good and I think it can be made to work well for you.

[john marcella]

Why is it whenever there is a good head, motor, part or whatever these threads get pissed on with people trying to validate its worth by how much it cost.
Bang for the buck chit.

A good part is........ a good idea, good engineering, and then the ability to produce it. Money has nothing to do with it.
Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

[JD311]

if you want bang for buck build an LS whatever! lol

[bankbook]

Originally Posted by Aaron Quinton

Yep, that's right.

Wow have times changed. We are VERY lucky to have the aftermarket support for Pontiacs today. KRE. Edelbrock, Allpontiac, BOP, Roland Racing, and Visner and others who have invested their time and money to support the development of the Pontiac engine. Thanks to all of these companies who have help us move the Pontiac engine forward.

Look at Buick, Olds and Caddy's and tell me we aren't doing great. It's good to be a Pontiac person!

This^^!

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by john marcella

Why is it whenever there is a good head, motor, part or whatever these threads get pissed on with people trying to validate its worth by how much it cost.
Bang for the buck chit.

A good part is........ a good idea, good engineering, and then the ability to produce it. Money has nothing to do with it.
Money is only a detail , and a tool that brings those things together.

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Tom Vaught

[65nss4spdGTO]

Jack,

Congrats on the new direction.

I am curious why you went this direction vs the traditional Pontiac head design Visner offers?

I spent a fair amount of time talking with David Visner, really nice guy with great ideas. He did tell me he sold a second set now too.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[cboggs]

Interesting looking head,, wild what can be
done these days and how far CnC has taken us.
My hands still hurt from 37 years of grinding,,
wish we had Cnc in those days!

I'm sure if Gaby is involved it's going to be
a very serous running project!

Curtis

[GTO Dan]

Originally Posted by cboggs

Interesting looking head,, wild what can be
done these days and how far CnC has taken us.
My hands still hurt from 37 years of grinding,,
wish we had Cnc in those days!

I'm sure if Gaby is involved it's going to be
a very serous running project!

Curtis

Welcome to the Forum!

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by cboggs

Interesting looking head,, wild what can be
done these days and how far CnC has taken us.
My hands still hurt from 37 years of grinding,,
wish we had Cnc in those days!

I'm sure if Gaby is involved it's going to be
a very serous running project!

Curtis

Hey Curtis,
Well to the jungle.

Stan

[BrandX]

Wow, havent checked back in a few days. For the record, I wasn't bashing on jack or his choice of cylinder head. Just messin with him a little bit.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

Jack,

Congrats on the new direction.

I am curious why you went this direction vs the traditional Pontiac head design Visner offers?

I spent a fair amount of time talking with David Visner, really nice guy with great ideas. He did tell me he sold a second set now too.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

Heat is bad.


KRE probably bought a set