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Old 12-09-2014, 05:35 PM
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I received a note from the person making the suggestion about the Bronze on Steel Valve Guide Installation suggestion to Don. I will leave it there as the person is a friend of mine. I will not respond to any other comments about the suggestion.

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Old 12-09-2014, 05:43 PM
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Tom,
What material does Ford use for the guides in the heads on production vehicles with turbos?

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Old 12-09-2014, 07:18 PM
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Not Sure, Stan, but I can have you an answer by tomorrow evening.

Most of our stuff is Overhead Camshaft stuff which may not suffer the same valve guide durability issues as the previous Push Rod type engines.

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Old 12-09-2014, 07:38 PM
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Not Sure, Stan, but I can have you an answer by tomorrow evening.

Most of our stuff is Overhead Camshaft stuff which may not suffer the same valve guide durability issues as the previous Push Rod type engines.

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While the production stuff may not be as high an RPM as some of the race stuff here (some of those stock OHCs do get up there) it does have to last much long before maintenance is performed.

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Old 12-10-2014, 04:17 PM
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PM to You Stan

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Old 12-12-2014, 03:28 PM
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Don,

What are the Max target Flow numbers for the DCI Ram Air V heads for this build?

400CFM 450CFM or 500CFM

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Old 12-12-2014, 06:57 PM
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At least 400 cfm because that's what they flow as cast LOL. Joking aside though I think with the 2.25" intake valve that we are going to use. We are shooting for around 440 cfm @ .800". I think the port opening is going to be more important than the actual flow number. I want the port openings at the pushrod tubes CSA to be big enough that it is not going to be the restriction. That area we are looking for 4.4"-4.6" of CSA at the pushrod tube cross section. I'm told that with a forced induction situation the cfm is not as critical as it is for a normally aspirated engine. I am really excited about getting the opportunity to work with this combo so that I can research and expand my knowledge level. I feel forced induction is going to be the way of the future because it's so street-able.



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I've seen a few thin wall bronze guide liners chip, crack and come apart, but I've not seen a proper phosphur bronze valve guide break up. I have seen a couple fall out though! (due to poor machining or fitting).

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It’s RAIV-Z. Kidding… The 69 Camaro get mad when it’s left out 

While I did manage to fix most of the visible issues with what I have now in order to support the minimum 1600hp build goal, I can’t realistically move forward without having vendors there to back up not only their work, but the product they are selling. So I’m replacing the entire McCarty/BES/IndyCartel top end.

Where this was going to be yet another major engine overhaul, actually the third for this build. I choose to go with someone who’s been in the business with a proven track record and has a reputation of standing behind their product and workmanship.

Work has begun on swapping over to DCI Motorsports RA-V heads.

Feel free to ask any questions.

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Not to be a s/a, but why are they 10k, if they are headed for another overhaul?
What wrong with them? I might be a buyer. Shaft system included?

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Old 12-14-2014, 12:15 AM
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Not to be a s/a, but why are they 10k, if they are headed for another overhaul?
What wrong with them? I might be a buyer. Shaft system included?
J.C.you,

The McCarty/BES/IndyCartel RA-V top end is NOT being overhauled, it's being retired. I'm swapping them out for DCI RA-V heads.

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The McCarty/BES/IndyCartel RA-V top end is NOT being overhauled, it's being retired. I'm swapping them out for DCI RA-V heads.

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Old 12-14-2014, 01:08 AM
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The McCarty/BES/IndyCartel RA-V top end is NOT being overhauled, it's being retired. I'm swapping them out for DCI RA-V heads.

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...so, what is included with the McCarty top end?

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...so, what is included with the McCarty top end?
Questions specifically related to what’s included can be asked in the For Sale section and for anyone really serious feel free to pm me with your number.

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Old 12-19-2014, 08:27 PM
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Have your guy put some addition weld on the seams of that subframe, Ed, as it will see a lot of stress (as a drag car) even with the "J-Tubes" welded on.

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We have the welds on what's left of the factory sub frame cleaned up.


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Old 12-20-2014, 10:41 AM
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Nice, even a modded frame goes a good way under the car and full seam welding helps.

Looks like you have a good welder. We have some of the best in the Detroit area.

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Sure makes it stiff.

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Can I stop by and weld on the chassis?

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Can I stop by and weld on the chassis?
You're welcome to come by anytime.

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We have the welds on what's left of the factory sub frame cleaned up.

Wow - Can "Mike Hall" weld!!!

Looks Real Good!!!

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