[quick67bird]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

That brings up a good point, the topics name............actually shouldn't be NHRA saved my life........just saying? I'm sure his roll cage was NHRA certed!
Or how about this one........if they would have been racing on a well prepped drag strip (like a car with that much power should have) would the mustang have lost traction and run into Justin?

GTO George

What for the NHRA did not build his cage. I don't know if it was NHRA certified, but was probably built to SFI specs. I would definitely buy my chassis builder a nice dinner though.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by maktope

The reason I joined these forums was for the help tom. I bought my GTO 6 years ago with the intent of a full restore mod. Then I changed my mind then decided for a nice street car then changed my mind again, because I had no help, no direction and am an 80s baby so lack of information. Since I joined and other forums I gained knowledge and perspective, and gradually made my way over here. Almost done building my street strip car. A Lil nervous about my combo but we will see. But to the point at hand. Not fast enough was the quote, fast enough for who? It's your car for your purpose. I am hoping to be in mid 10s. That's fast enough. 3/4 of you guys would dust me, doesn't matter fast enough. Even when these message boards get off subject the am out of information spoken or typed is a great deal of help to us novices who want to join in the hobby. I don't see the point in arguing what's fast enough. Because from what I have seen posted a track can negate any ones fast enough and make it not enough. To all keep handing out the knowledge you learned over blood sweat and cursing. And if any of you are in the Los Angeles area I would love to pick your brains

Very Good post.

I disagree with George because his opinion is that Drag Racers are the only game in town and if you have experience in other forms of racing you aren't chit. His opinion also is that if you are not racing on a NHRA track you aren't chit.

The Oklahoma group has some very fast cars period. I have seen videos of Justin racing on a track and taking home 20K in winnings at one race. Something that I have not seen very many other non PRO racers do over the years.

So George is basically badmouthing every Salt racer who set a record at Bonneville.
Bad mouthing every American BAJA racer who won in his class at the Baja 1000 and other similar races.
Bad mouthing every American Trans Am racer who won in his class at the Trans Am road race type events.

So we have an on-going difference of opinion on racing and the different types of racers, even Street Racers.
This has been going on for years and will not change. Don't worry about it.
Just remember George makes Charlie McCarthy look like a Brain Surgeon. (Charlie is on the left)

Tom V.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Matt Meaney

the way Justin tells it, he brought the car to don dial for some upgrades. don refused them and would only work on the car if things were done his way. is it NHRA certed, don't know. did don build a safer race car, absolutely.

I've seen cars loose traction down track on prepped tacks too. maybe you remember warren Johnson's comments after loosing traction down track at an NHRA national event.

as a counter point, would dave's wreck have been as bad and him as hurt, if it was on the street where there's no jersey barriers to hit. maybe it would have gone off into a field and not hit anything or rolled.


racing cars is dangerous where ever it's done. different venues present different dangers.

Daves wreck was at a drag strip TRUE.......BUT it was a NO-Prep race.
Justin's mid-hap......would it have happened at a WELL PREPPED drag strip......probably not.


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Very Good post.

I disagree with George because his opinion is that Drag Racers are the only game in town and if you have experience in other forms of racing you aren't chit. His opinion also is that if you are not racing on a NHRA track you aren't chit.

The Oklahoma group has some very fast cars period. I have seen videos of Justin racing on a track and taking home 20K in winnings at one race. Something that I have not seen very many other non PRO racers do over the years.

So George is basically badmouthing every Salt racer who set a record at Bonneville.
Bad mouthing every American BAJA racer who won in his class at the Baja 1000 and other similar races.
Bad mouthing every American Trans Am racer who won in his class at the Trans Am road race type events.

So we have an on-going difference of opinion on racing and the different types of racers, even Street Racers.
This has been going on for years and will not change. Don't worry about it.
Just remember George makes Charlie McCarthy look like a Brain Surgeon. (Charlie is on the left)

Tom V.

Tom,
We've gone past that silly stuff stay to topic!!!


GTO George

[cdrookie]

daves "mid-hap".....would it have happened on a NON PREPPED street...probably not

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by quick67bird

What for the NHRA did not build his cage. I don't know if it was NHRA certified, but was probably built to SFI specs. I would definitely buy my chassis builder a nice dinner though.

True NHRA did not build the cage BUT they set up the rules that most of us go by (like we have a choice). They make sure the cars we race against are safe. Trust me NHRA is not on my Christmas card list!



GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by cdrookie

daves "mid-hap".....would it have happened on a NON PREPPED street...probably not

Any car that goes sideways WILL roll and roll a lot (I've been in a car when it went sideways and rolled)! Daves car lost traction?
The barriers are there for spectator SAFETY!


GTO George

[cdrookie]

you could also say the barriers are there to endanger drivers...

just like saying daddy dave would've rolled on the street. i say he would've spun around and hopped the curb like most of the cars who got sideways did.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

True NHRA did not build the cage BUT they set up the rules that most of us go by (like we have a choice). They make sure the cars we race against are safe. Trust me NHRA is not on my Christmas card list!

GTO George

NHRA is like law makers, they make the rules.

They don't do any of the Engineering, any of the Testing, None of the cost comes out of their pockets, The "taxes" (NHRA Membership, be it racers, track owners, etc does not come from them. All Medical Liabilities are are on the racers dime. They promote a race, period.
So you are correct George, you do not have a choice (except to not race). So get off my back when I choose not to play their game.

Tom V.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

NHRA is like law makers, they make the rules.

They don't do any of the Engineering, any of the Testing, None of the cost comes out of their pockets, The "taxes" (NHRA Membership, be it racers, track owners, etc does not come from them. All Medical Liabilities are are on the racers dime. They promote a race, period.
So you are correct George, you do not have a choice (except to not race). So get off my back when I choose not to play their game.

Tom V.

Damn Tom.........let it go!


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by cdrookie

you could also say the barriers are there to endanger drivers...

just like saying daddy dave would've rolled on the street. i say he would've spun around and hopped the curb like most of the cars who got sideways did.

I just looked at the video he lost traction got sideways it was gonna roll, I was only going 65 when my car rolled when it got sideways!


GTI George

[JSPONT]

Wow tons of post since my question. I did not put it out there as bait. Just wanted people to take an educated guess. My guess was 7.00-7.80 for the top 5.

To me that is F'ing flying. So George, there are a lot of street cars running that. I don't think as many as we everyone thinks. Chiefs new car is not a street car, but the other 4 I am talking about have lights and are registered.

Give credit where it is do. The 405 called out many people on the street and for the most part come out on top. They could not beat Kye Kelly's old pro stock car ( daddy dave beat him once) but the know how to run on the street.

The show is great to me, I was a little disappointed in Chief's car choice, but when you call out the entire USA you better be ready. He does not want to bring a knife to a gun fight!!

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

Wow tons of post since my question. I did not put it out there as bait. Just wanted people to take an educated guess. My guess was 7.00-7.80 for the top 5.

To me that is F'ing flying. So George, there are a lot of street cars running that. I don't think as many as we everyone thinks. Chiefs new car is not a street car, but the other 4 I am talking about have lights and are registered.

Give credit where it is do. The 405 called out many people on the street and for the most part come out on top. They could not beat Kye Kelly's old pro stock car ( daddy dave beat him once) but the know how to run on the street.

The show is great to me, I was a little disappointed in Chief's car choice, but when you call out the entire USA you better be ready. He does not want to bring a knife to a gun fight!!

A bigger engine and better heads would give Chief all the power (500-1,000hp more) he would need. A Pro Mod car is cool but over kill for the street racing reality show.


GTO George

[Tom Vaught]

Since this is the first ever Street Racing reality show, please explain how you became such an expert on the subject. Just wondering. I have other things to do, George, but make sure you get in the last post, as usual.

Tom v.

[GTOGEORGE]

Never said I was an expert......just been racing since I was 17.


GTO George

[v869tr6]

With the same HP per pound and limited traction the lighter car has a big advantage in my opinion.

[INJUNTOM]

[maktope]

I know out here, especially the Compton gardena area where street racing is big they do bring pro mods. Izzy who was on an episode of the show is awaiting trial for an accident that killed 3 people. And he was the flagger. So for the small group it may be large but for that group who wants to race as fast as they can go on a street pro mod is the next step forward. Not for me I think it's kinda ugly but more power to him. End of the day we are all race fans all pontiac fans. Pro mod or not street or track I'll watch and root for justin.

[maktope]

Originally Posted by INJUNTOM

Lol

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by v869tr6

With the same HP per pound and limited traction the lighter car has a big advantage in my opinion.

Lighter car will always be better.......takes less HP to go quick also less breakage BUT a more streetable looking car with more HP would be WAY cooler!


GTO George