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Old 09-21-2016, 01:19 AM
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You need to lay by your bowl and lick your sore butt a while before going back on the porch barking at everyone.
Truth hurts. But you can be a little boy about it. Some little boys never grow up.

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The dry sump didn't buy us anything on the dyno, but it buys me a lot of peace of mind in the car.

The Southern Florida fiasco was a failure in every respect: From product delivery to product quality and product performance. After a year and a half of excuses and his two attempts to get it right, we still had to repair everything he sent us. To top it off, we lost 60 HP on the dyno. Never again.

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Truth hurts. But you can be a little boy about it. Some little boys never grow up.
And some dogs never stop barking at everyone. Or licking their butt. Carry on

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And some dogs never stop barking at everyone. Or licking their butt. Carry on
Pretty sure all can see who has an obsession with licking butts. And running their mouths. Carry on.

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... well, Fulton's car is obviously making more power, the MPH proves that,...
Just an FYI, a car can gain and loose mph without touching the engine. Recently we tested a couple of converters. One converter lost 1 mph and the other gained three.The same thing can happen with gear change, tires etc. An eighth mile car would have considerably less mph compared to a 1/4 mile car and run a slower ET.

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Old 09-21-2016, 09:28 AM
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As for E-heads making 3000 hp.....thats with power adders, and many heads are capable of that.
What other Pontiac heads have made 3000 horsepower?

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... Holy Grail ... what does that mean, please just answer
I'm referring to DF's engine as the Holy Grail.

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You know...if you created something you'd be excited about it too. That doesn't make it a holy grail. Every time the EHTTFMF guys come on here posting "EHTTFMF!!!", or you for example several posts ago.......you'd think E-heads were the holy grail.

But that doesn't seem to get the same knock as when Bill talks about something he created. And Bill wasn't the one posting "CV1TTFMF!!!"

Who exactly ARE the cheerleaders? And which heads are the "Holy Grail" exactly?

Seems to me its been the E-heads.
You seem to have issues with people that have been successful with E-heads.

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Old 09-21-2016, 09:35 AM
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What other Pontiac heads have made 3000 horsepower?
... What he's trying to point out may be easier to illustrate as a question ...

... Install Langer's Tiger heads, new or old, on the Butler ProMod and what happens ??? ... Or Marcella PP's, or Pickets Warp6's or Fulton CV-1's, or Jack's Visner heads ...

... See what he trying to say ?? ...

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I'll try to follow your order.
Dick set a personal best ETat Norwalk with CV1's. He also got a pass in at 180+but slower ET on a motor that wasnt 100% (on DOT tires not his slicks)
FACT that is faster and quicker than old combo.

Fact less N2O being used.

Weight... seems to be some controversy... I have not said anything on weight with old combo not sure what it was. Not on PY and especially not PZ... I havent been allowed to post in years because I proved him wrong about something.
Dick claims heavier than claimed on the reputable PZ board. I'd say Dick is far more credible than the person who can alter posts over there.
3130-3140 race weight at Norwalk per Dick and Bill 3180 at Beech Bend.(track prep sucked so maybe ballast. I never asked )
I made it to Beech Bend the track was miserable so were the temps. Even there, the car went 179 and ran in the 7's Ask GTOGeorge and others how nice the track and weather wasnt.

Heads off... I was wrong. I found out several days after posting. Should have posted an apology and correction then. Looking back I cant really say what gave me the impression I had. Brian and others...sorry about that.

Ok Whose E heads were used on the DF dyno test if they werent Gaby's?
I've never said EIC, just Gaby, so dont add words I didnt say. If Im wrong show me who's they were and I'll admit misinformation.

For the record I've been a fan of Kinsler since I met him at a RAM race in Virginia. 2009 IIRC. Dont think I've met Cosgrove, havent followed him. Both fast cars.
Dont see your point of dragging them in when thread is about Fulton and Little Jack.
Dick seems far from being fully sorted so you cant say it cant do better. Current results look promising. Only car I've criticized is little jack. And thats largely due to him running his mouth.

Lastly paul I dont just sit around and make things up. I try to post what I know is true vs believe to be true. I post an opinion I usually preface it with IMO. There is no one here who never erred or had wrong info or simply confused something said with something else said.

Glad you got around to name names vs guessing games of who your referring too.
How about you just post from knowledge you have gained from your own personal hands on experience. Then your facts will be truths...and probably a lot shorter.

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Old 09-21-2016, 09:37 AM
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I'm referring to DF's engine as the Holy Grail.
... Ahhh, ok gottch'ya ...

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How about you just post from knowledge you have gained drom your own personal hands on experience. Then your facts will be truths...and probably a lot shorter.
... When Bruce speaks about CV-1 stuff, like Fulton's car, it's after he's spoken directly to me, he just mixed up a few details, not a big deal, and once I reminded him, he posted a correction ...

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Old 09-21-2016, 09:41 AM
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Not offended... paul is proud of the Buick rightfully so... but I am not aware of any Pontiacs he has built that can touch it.

And to be fair Bill doesnt have a Pontiac that fast...yet.
You don't have a fast Pontiac either. You haven't built a Pontiac that cranks out 500 horsepower. You should back away from the keyboards, put the pom-poms away and go build the bad boy Pontiac you've been talking about for the last decade
You can show us all how it's done!

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Old 09-21-2016, 09:42 AM
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You seem to have issues with people that have been successful with E-heads.
... No, he has issue of the bias towards the CV-1 threads on this forum ...

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Old 09-21-2016, 09:46 AM
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... What he's trying to point out may be easier to illustrate as a question ...

... Install Langer's Tiger heads, new or old, on the Butler ProMod and what happens ??? ... Or Marcella PP's, or Pickets Warp6's or Fulton CV-1's, or Jack's Visner heads ...

... See what he trying to say ?? ...
TTB isn't it the "what ifs and failures" that started the bad wrapping of the CV'ies? No one is really sure what will happen until it's done. I wouldn't make assumptions, I'd talk about it after it's done.

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Old 09-21-2016, 10:01 AM
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... No, he has issue of the bias towards the CV-1 threads on this forum ...
There isn't any bias from me and he's questioned me more than once and put words in my mouth.. Just because I'm not willing to distort the facts doesn't mean I'm anti-CV1.

Is it okay to a a negative bias towards the Eheads? Some of the CV guys are hypocrites.

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You seem to have issues with people that have been successful with E-heads.
IIRC he (TimeWarp) has a street/road race prepped 73 Trans Am with E-heads and around 1400-1500 wheel horsepower. Real pump gas, mild cammed factory block street car. Turbo, of course.

Met him and sold him a short block for another car (I'm a bit envious since he is building multiple cool cars and I can't even finish one), but he seems like a genuinely nice guy, in person.

He's been very successful with his E-heads. I don't think that's the issue.

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What other Pontiac heads have made 3000 horsepower?

To my knowledge NO Pontiac head has made 3,000 HP!
E-heads just like the Tigers and HP's are old school, that's not to say they can't make HP they are just old school. For US (Pontiac Racers) to make that next jump we need more ......AKA....RA5, CV, Warp 6 or whatever else that I missed, it's that simple!



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IIRC he (TimeWarp) has a street/road race prepped 73 Trans Am with E-heads and around 1400-1500 wheel horsepower. Real pump gas, mild cammed factory block street car. Turbo, of course.

Met him and sold him a short block for another car (I'm a bit envious since he is building multiple cool cars and I can't even finish one), but he seems like a genuinely nice guy, in person.

He's been very successful with his E-heads. I don't think that's the issue.
He act's like he does. Nice of you to stick up for him. I don't know him. I watched him badger Slowbird and now he's started with me.

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Really! Good Luck to you!

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