[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

GTOGeorge,
What dragster and Fun Cars are you talking about? Not Alcohol! Maybe Nitro but the Fun Cars do not run the same engine management - "Limiter" that the Dragster do. To slow the Fun Cars down they will run the same "Limiter" starting in 2018.

Just as a by the way. How close is Big Chief and Curt's car aero dynamically to today's Nitro Fun Car body?

Stan

TAD is a tough class they have Blown Alky AND Nitro injected.
Chiefs car runs 1/8.....cant compare to 1/8 mile in the 1/4......NOT the same. As for Curts, don't know what numbers he's using.......Not same day same track conditions.


GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by 69Goat1

Fast is fast whether it's 1/8th or 1/4 mile...Chiefs **** is fast and it has always had standard port Eheads on it. I know they are switching and those CVies have big boots to try and fill from the old standard port ehead...

Never said it wasn't QUICK just can't compare 1/8 mile to 1/8 mile in 1/4 mile times NOT the same. Anyways he threw his e heads away to run quicker and thats what this thread is about

GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

With the Quickest cars (1/4 mile) out there running OTHER heads and racers switching over to Billet, seems like E-heads are dying out! The quickest Pontiac out there has Warp heads, the quickest Bodied car out there running RA5 heads, the quickest NA door car has Warp, the quickest Nitrous door car has CV-1 heads. Hell in the KRE Quick 16 at Norwalk the first 5 cars had NO E-heads on them.....just saying. Is the E-head vanishing from the QUICK cars?


GTO George

If recently means within the past year the Leech/Marcella E head engine made the 1200HP and came very close, if not down to the numbers showing it at the track. On old slicks with around 60 runs. Now we all know this was a very high effort NA E head engine the likes of which will not be tried again.

Still, more NA HP than any CV1 engine and very few NA High Port engines.
We all would have been glued to our seat waiting how the new HP engine turned out. Very High effort, moved valves and big sheet metal ect.
The Warp, kind of a who cares head to me. People run them and thats fine. They like them and do what they want. But its like having a BBC head strapped to your Pontiac with one hand tied behind its back(bore spacing) Extremely few get a chance to get their hands on them and do high end port work.

RAVs? The cool and nostalgia factor is off the charts. Starting to see some promise with them. I am sure they will do well boosted. NA is king to me, that will be the tell. The dragster did show some power. Still a pushrod in the port so that is going to have to play out. They are going to make plenty of power, but will they get past the big bad Tiger NA ?
I am waiting to see how the new Super Wedges do. Jeff told me they are back on the front burner.
The Wilcox raised port/non pushrod in the port RAV is going to make a lot of noise. Best of all worlds while still being "sort" of a real Pontiac. Inline valves and standard Pontiac valve cover. No siamesed exhast. 520+ cfm baby.
Kinsler still runs the E head and kicking but. Real drag racer too.
There are FAR more E heads out there than any other aluminum head. They will always have a place. Basic aluminum RAIV head and good all the way to 1200HP NA.
Hard to beat that.

[cgeise]

6.60 at 215 mph @ 2730 lb ---- put that in your calculator. Btw 1/4 mile.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

If recently means within the past year the Leech/Marcella E head engine made the 1200HP and came very close, if not down to the numbers showing it at the track. On old slicks with around 60 runs. Now we all know this was a very high effort NA E head engine the likes of which will not be tried again.

Still, more NA HP than any CV1 engine and very few NA High Port engines.
We all would have been glued to our seat waiting how the new HP engine turned out. Very High effort, moved valves and big sheet metal ect.
The Warp, kind of a who cares head to me. People run them and thats fine. They like them and do what they want. But its like having a BBC head strapped to your Pontiac with one hand tied behind its back(bore spacing) Extremely few get a chance to get their hands on them and do high end port work.

RAVs? The cool and nostalgia factor is off the charts. Starting to see some promise with them. I am sure they will do well boosted. NA is king to me, that will be the tell. The dragster did show some power. Still a pushrod in the port so that is going to have to play out. They are going to make plenty of power, but will they get past the big bad Tiger NA ?
I am waiting to see how the new Super Wedges do. Jeff told me they are back on the front burner.
The Wilcox raised port/non pushrod in the port RAV is going to make a lot of noise. Best of all worlds while still being "sort" of a real Pontiac. Inline valves and standard Pontiac valve cover. No siamesed exhast. 520+ cfm baby.
Kinsler still runs the E head and kicking but. Real drag racer too.
There are FAR more E heads out there than any other aluminum head. They will always have a place. Basic aluminum RAIV head and good all the way to 1200HP NA.
Hard to beat that.

Leeches car ran 8.30's at norwalk in 80 degree temps (same day, same track stuff, can't compare with temps in the 40's).....VERY QUICK and a lot of HP for 1 carb (how big was that carb)!
The Warp 6..........if it bolts to a Pontiac block....its a Pontiac head, for racers that want to qo quick!
RA5.....just wait this WILL BE the next HOT head (520 cfm baby), push rod in the port (right Don )!
Wilcoxs head.......maybe someday BUT its NOT a RA5 head and its VERY expensive who can afford it!
Kinsler is fast with his NOS e headed missile.....thats one.
Fulton ran quicker ditching the e head, so will Chief.
E head is a dying head (time are a changing) thats why racers are switching because they want to go quicker.

GTO George

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by cgeise

6.60 at 215 mph @ 2730 lb ---- put that in your calculator. Btw 1/4 mile.

My calculator get this

60 Foot ET = 1.0760
330 Foot ET = 2.8373
1/8 Mile ET = 4.2948
1/8 Mile MPH = 169.8092
1000 Foot ET = 5.5496
1/4 Mile ET = 6.6037
1/4 Mile MPH = 215.1671

At track weather - 1720 HP

Stan

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by cgeise

6.60 at 215 mph @ 2730 lb ---- put that in your calculator. Btw 1/4 mile.

OK.........?


GTO george

[Dragncar]

Georgie, Mike made right at, just over, just under 1200 freaking HP. People ran the numbers on this site. Who cares how big the carb was. I am sure it was not small. He was clicking on your heels power wise without the big huffer. You are not the person to call into question what he did. Its fact, history, it happened.
The H&M head is less expensive than the Visners. You will see some big numbers coming out, and very low ones too. What, you can only call something a "RAV" if it has a pushrod ?, If its worse ? Dons head is a great head. And the pushrod in the port is the way he chose to build it. But in no way can any human tell me its better to have the pushrod in the port in any shape, way or form. I look forward to seeing some big things from Dons head by the way. The best way to sell a new head is take it to the track and lay down good numbers. I am sure he is well on his way to doing just that.
Fulton, still has not answered his best CV ET. We all seen the 7.71 with old E heads Gach put up on U tube. Is 7.65 his best ET ? Was there a 7.57 I think I heard ? Did he give the Gabby 410 E heads a fair shot ? I heard he dynoed it with the same cam as his old heads. 40cfm more means new cam you would think. The intake was not as 'pretty" as say a Marcella intake.
Chief, we will see if he actually runs the CVs or was just after leverage.
The E head is in no way dying. It will be the most popular aftermarket Pontiac head till the end of time, period. The high end Pontiac race engine world is a very,very small one. Only to get smaller. The 500-600HP Pontiac street engine is a MUCH larger world. That is where the money is.
Here is the issue with a aftermarket RAV head. If the whole deal costs way more. Have to use special headers, intake, cam ect and it does not make more power than a "normal" Pontiac head (Tiger, HP, Super Wedge) that is not a good thing as far as limited market share. If they dont, and the pushrod is in the port so that does come into question, make more power than a standard head then they have to rely on the "cool" factor. And who is to say a 900HP, 1000HP or 1200HP aluminum RAV under your hood is not a VERY cool thing. It is.
The "special part" thing and not making more power than a "normal" Pontiac head is what turned the CV-1 into the extremely small market share it has. Have to run their intake, gaskets, valve covers, needs to be a reason its better. With the money you end up shelling out its MORE money. Has to be a reason to spend more money.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Georgie, Mike made right at, just over, just under 1200 freaking HP. People ran the numbers on this site. Who cares how big the carb was. I am sure it was not small. He was clicking on your heels power wise without the big huffer. You are not the person to call into question what he did. Its fact, history, it happened.
The H&M head is less expensive than the Visners. You will see some big numbers coming out, and very low ones too. What, you can only call something a "RAV" if it has a pushrod ?, If its worse ? Dons head is a great head. And the pushrod in the port is the way he chose to build it. But in no way can any human tell me its better to have the pushrod in the port in any shape, way or form. I look forward to seeing some big things from Dons head by the way. The best way to sell a new head is take it to the track and lay down good numbers. I am sure he is well on his way to doing just that.
Fulton, still has not answered his best CV ET. We all seen the 7.71 with old E heads Gach put up on U tube. Is 7.65 his best ET ? Was there a 7.57 I think I heard ? Did he give the Gabby 410 E heads a fair shot ? I heard he dynoed it with the same cam as his old heads. 40cfm more means new cam you would think. The intake was not as 'pretty" as say a Marcella intake.
Chief, we will see if he actually runs the CVs or was just after leverage.
The E head is in no way dying. It will be the most popular aftermarket Pontiac head till the end of time, period. The high end Pontiac race engine world is a very,very small one. Only to get smaller. The 500-600HP Pontiac street engine is a MUCH larger world. That is where the money is.
Here is the issue with a aftermarket RAV head. If the whole deal costs way more. Have to use special headers, intake, cam ect and it does not make more power than a "normal" Pontiac head (Tiger, HP, Super Wedge) that is not a good thing as far as limited market share. If they dont, and the pushrod is in the port so that does come into question, make more power than a standard head then they have to rely on the "cool" factor. And who is to say a 900HP, 1000HP or 1200HP aluminum RAV under your hood is not a VERY cool thing. It is.
The "special part" thing and not making more power than a "normal" Pontiac head is what turned the CV-1 into the extremely small market share it has. Have to run their intake, gaskets, valve covers, needs to be a reason its better. With the money you end up shelling out its MORE money. Has to be a reason to spend more money.

Excuse me? I have NOT question anything Mike did just stated numbers that were true. As for the carb question.......I was just curious thats all........NO other reason.
RA5 heads has the pushrod going through the port.....plain & simple, if it doesn't its NOT!
Ill bet you put the price of that H & M head and the price of Don's RA5 head the RA5 is cheaper!
Normally when you step up to a BETTER flowing head (no matter what the head is) you get bigger headers......a bigger camshaft......carb/carbs......fuel pump....etc. the list never ends.......FACT!
STOP crying Fulton ran quicker (making more HP) with a CV-1 heads and a HEAVIER car......FACT!
The 800 - 1,000 hp Pontiac engine is not dying go to Norwalk (have you been to Norwalk)? My Gosh 500 race cars (year after year)....ill bet 15% maybe 20 % are quicker then 9's



GTO George

[JSPONT]

George with each post you are sounding more and more foolish.
Do you have inside information on Chiefs Car? Your heads flow more than Chiefs and you have no where near his 1/8 mile, he could let off when he runs out of gear and still run a 7 second pass with 350 cfm. Oh yeah the turbo is boring,LMAO, it makes street heads out run like a race car.
You run a bracket car, nothing more boring than that!

[cgeise]

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

My calculator get this

60 Foot ET = 1.0760
330 Foot ET = 2.8373
1/8 Mile ET = 4.2948
1/8 Mile MPH = 169.8092
1000 Foot ET = 5.5496
1/4 Mile ET = 6.6037
1/4 Mile MPH = 215.1671

At track weather - 1720 HP

Stan

wow just used 3 of you diff calculators online and came up with 1875 to 2100 ??????????///

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

George with each post you are sounding more and more foolish.
Do you have inside information on Chiefs Car? Your heads flow more than Chiefs and you have no where near his 1/8 mile, he could let off when he runs out of gear and still run a 7 second pass with 350 cfm. Oh yeah the turbo is boring,LMAO, it makes street heads out run like a race car.
You run a bracket car, nothing more boring than that!

My car has nothing to do with the thread........why bring it up?
What am I sounding foolish about....please explain?
Yes Turbos are boring BUT they are getting better.......I never said they were slow!
Maybe you should strap your BUTT into my car and we'll see how boring it is! (1.14 60' in a 3,200+ car is not boring) LOL!!


GTO George

[flamedabone]

When you were a little kid, was an E head mean to you or something? You seem to be awfully angry at them.

-Abone.

[wreckmastr]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Come to Norwalk The Who's Who of Pontiac race cars and see what heads they are running.....just saying!


GTO George

So your saying if you choose not to attend the Norwalk race then your a nobody?
Asking for a friend.

[67GTO4SPEED]

Originally Posted by flamedabone

When you were a little kid, was an E head mean to you or something? You seem to be awfully angry at them.

-Abone.

What are 7 second time slips, Alex? ��

[dci]

Edelbrock has been selling heads now for what 25+ years. So I would suspect that they have the market share hands down. There is a place for specialty type heads though like the Warp 6, CV1, Tigers, and RA5's. They may not dominate the market, but we are not comparing apples to apples either. Edelbrock made it easy to swap out from the factory heads. These other heads are not easy or cheap. I can remember when Edelbrock first came out with their heads, and everyone bitched and cried like babies because they had to switch headers. Now it's common place. The new specialty heads will have their day in the sun. If you are a HP junky, you will want to move up the food chain eventually. I am partial to my RA5 heads though LOL.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by wreckmastr

So your saying if you choose not to attend the Norwalk race then your a nobody?
Asking for a friend.

Just a General statement, nothing else intended. It is the Largest Pontiac race in the country! At one time or another there has been a lot of well known Pontiac Racers (with their cars) at Norwalk......Rex, You, Jack, Gaydosh for Gosh sakes even Fulper has been there a couple of times. LOL!
Its just a race if your a Pontiac guy you need to attend....dont you think?


GTO George

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by flamedabone

When you were a little kid, was an E head mean to you or something? You seem to be awfully angry at them.

-Abone.

Lol!

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by flamedabone

When you were a little kid, was an E head mean to you or something? You seem to be awfully angry at them.

-Abone.

No.....although I did drop one on my foot once. LOL!
I don't think I've said anything bad about them.

GTO George

[mgarblik]

I really feel if maximum HP is the goal, and you want to keep the engine "traditional", the Ram Air V configuration will get you there with more reliability than the conventional valve layout. There simply isn't enough real estate between cylinders to run big valves and have that huge heat concentration right in the center of the head. Combine that with an aluminum head and large space between fasteners and the head has no choice but to "hump up" between those center fasteners and eventually fail a head gasket. Again I will mention that we are still running the original pair of head gaskets we put on the engine in 2011. They have been on and off probably 20 times. Same 10 head bolts. The valve layout is brilliant. Hate to admit the design came from Ford, but it works.