Pontiac - Street No question too basic here!

          
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 12-18-2017, 09:17 AM
Grand73Am Grand73Am is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lawrenceville, GA
Posts: 2,953
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 64speed View Post
I have a sandblasted but when I use playground sand the nozzle gets clogged and it’s a pain. I hadn’t thought of oven cleaner but I will definitely be doing that. Would you do the frame in gloss black or semi gloss?
Not all play sand is the same. That's why I mentioned the "Premium" play sand from Lowes. It's uniform in size, so very seldom clogs the nozzle on my blaster. Of course, the hole in the nozzle can't be too small to begin with. I use a 3/16". I've tried sand from Home Depot once, but it had too many larger size chunks in it that did clog my blaster. The Lowes Premium works well though.

I prefer semi-gloss, which looks more like original, and doesn't show imperfections as much as gloss.

__________________
Steve F.
  #22  
Old 12-18-2017, 10:34 AM
carcrazy carcrazy is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wake Forest, NC
Posts: 2,074
Default

I used Zero Rust on my 67 several years ago and it has held up well.

__________________
My money talks to me-it usually says goodbye!
  #23  
Old 12-18-2017, 10:52 AM
J.C.you's Avatar
J.C.you J.C.you is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: moccasin bayou, Louisiana
Posts: 4,915
Default

.....eastwood rust encapsulator is the best I have used. You can topcoat if you want over the eastwood without resanding. POR 15 tends to peel off on non rusty parts.

Just did my 65 goat frame this weekend.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0611.jpg
Views:	113
Size:	84.7 KB
ID:	470337  

__________________


1963 Cat SD Clone (old school) streeter
1964 GTO post coupe, tripower, 4speed (build)
1965 GTO 389 tripower, 4 speed, driver
1966 GTO dragcar
1966 GTO Tri power, 4speed, barn find
1966 GTO Ragtop
1969 GTO Judge RA lll, auto
1970 GP SSJ
1970 GTO barn find..TLB…390 horse?….yeh, 390
1973 Grand Safari wagon, 700hp stoplight sleeper
525ci DCI & 609ci LM V head builds
Factory stock oval track car

Last edited by J.C.you; 12-18-2017 at 10:59 AM.
  #24  
Old 12-18-2017, 01:50 PM
JC455 JC455 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Fresno,Ca USA
Posts: 2,005
Default

I've had pretty good luck with Rustoleum. It's available in a spray can or quarts. You can spray it, roll it, brush it, etc.- Dries smooth and level.
It's available in gloss and satin... can be touched up easily IF it requires touch up, and.... it's pretty inexpensive.

__________________
John
IG: @crawdaddycustoms
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK9...Nc_lk1Q/videos
  #25  
Old 12-18-2017, 02:44 PM
Skip Fix's Avatar
Skip Fix Skip Fix is online now
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Katy,TX USA
Posts: 21,711
Default

I've had good luck with SAcrete's Playground sand in my gravity fed cheapy blaster. EVen with an average size home compressor tough paint/rust prevention goo is tough for it to get off though.

__________________
Skip Fix
1978 Trans Am original owner 10.99 @ 124 pump gas 455 E heads, NO Bird ever!
1981 Black SE Trans Am stockish 6X 400ci, turbo 301 on a stand
1965 GTO 4 barrel 3 speed project
2004 GTO Pulse Red stock motor computer tune [email protected]
1964 Impala SS 409/470ci 600 HP stroker project
1979 Camaro IAII Edelbrock head 500" 695 HP 10.33@132 3595lbs
1964 Corvette Coupe 327 4 speed
  #26  
Old 12-18-2017, 04:10 PM
convgto convgto is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: nw florida
Posts: 456
Default

I use the play sand from Lowes in my harbor freight pressure tank blaster, l always sift the sand thru window screen then works great, takes only a few minutes extra to sift. Zero rust then I mixed gallon gloss and a gallon of flat tractor supply tractor paint, perfect sheen to me.

__________________
1967 Firebird under -DONE
1965 GTO under construction
  #27  
Old 12-18-2017, 04:25 PM
Marv Marv is offline
Senior Chief
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 464
Default

I had the frame on my '62 blasted and then did the KBS Coating three-layer process. It was awesome - a glossy black that I could hit with a hammer and it wouldn't chip off. I actually brushed it on and, because it self-etches, it levelled out with no brush marks.

If I had my way I'd cool my heels. save my money up and do the job properly - get the frame blasted to give you the best substrate to work with. Can you get blasting garnet where you are? Many media blasters in Australia don't work with sand due to the danger of silica inhalation, and use garnet, which can be re-used.

I've done a transmission and suspension items with garnet and it rocks. Ha ha.

  #28  
Old 12-18-2017, 08:03 PM
leeklm's Avatar
leeklm leeklm is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 1,755
Default

I did mine with epoxy primer from SPI. https://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/

I am a100% paint novice, used an elcheapo gun from harbor freight, and it looks great after 3 years. I did the frame, inner fenders, suspension, diff, core support,etc.

The local sand blaster charged me something like $200 or $250 to do it all, and was well worth it!

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

__________________
68 Firebird-- Street/Strip - 400/461 Eagle Forged Bottom End & Ross Flat top pistons. KRE 325 CFM D port, Ultradyne 263/271 @.050, .4267 lift. Crower Solid roller lifters and 1.65 stainless rockers. Quickfuel 1000 on Torker2 intake and 2" open spacer. Hedman 1.75" headers. TH400 w/brake. Ford 9" w/3.80 gears & 28x9 Hoosier pro bracket drag radial. Best ET: 1.35 60ft, 6.29 @ 107.20 mph, 9.99 @132.33 mph. 3,300 race weight
  #29  
Old 12-18-2017, 11:39 PM
70GS455 70GS455 is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Alabama
Posts: 788
Default

I used MasterSeries moisture-cured urethane

Sent from my SM-T817V using Tapatalk

  #30  
Old 12-18-2017, 11:40 PM
Jerry H.'s Avatar
Jerry H. Jerry H. is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Clarkesville, GA
Posts: 5,632
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HWYSTR455 View Post
I recently had a frame blasted and powder coated, the local shop I used is really good, pay close attention to detail, and if there were any issues with the part/frame, like cracks, poor welds, etc, they call to let the customer know. They are the most expensive blast & coat place in my area and charged $800, just to give an idea.

I've used a lot of POR15 before, one thing you need to ensure is to not shake it, and stir it as directed. If it gets aeriated, it will fail/peel/bubble. But, if done right, once it goes on and cures properly, it never comes off. On frames and other areas not exposed to direct sun light, you don't need to top coat it, but it's a little too shiny for my taste.

Powder coating and painting doesn't get the inside of the frame, so I used the Eastwood internal frame coating and antirust coating(s). They work. 3M has similar products, and have used those before as well, not sure if Eastwood rebrands or not.

It's easy to go crazy when doing stuff like this, but honestly, anything is better than nothing, and usually works for a considerable period of time. I've used a wire brush, etching primers, and engine paint many times and the results are good to very good. It touches up easy too.

.
I've cleaned, blasted and painted a couple of frames but for $800 and the quality of a powdercoated frame that is the route I would take. By the time you figure all your paint, materials, etc. plus if you figure your time for anything I think you come out ahead.

Broaden you search for blast and powdercoat shops somewhat and I think you should find someone who will do you a good job at a reasonable rate.

__________________
LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HE!! OUT OF THE WAY!!!

HONEST JERRY'S SPEED AND EQUIPMENT
  #31  
Old 12-19-2017, 03:24 AM
64speed's Avatar
64speed 64speed is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Westminster S.C.
Posts: 6,516
Default

I’m gonna give it a try blasting it with my blaster and the recommendations I have received on the sand. Once that’s done I’m going to exopy prime it and brush on the rustoleum professional grade black. I would love to have it blasted and powder coated but not only is money working against me but time is too. I can only keep it three weeks most and they want it back sooner than that if possible. I wasn’t expecting all these paints to be as high as they are. I figured 50 maybe 75 dollars a gallon but the cheapest I can find por 15 around here is 130 a gallon! That’ll buy you a lot of rustoleum ha ha. I know it’s the cheap way out but Santa and bodywork and time limit have all conspired against me. I never would have thought to prime it if not for this thread though I would have just slathered it on. As far as the inside of the frame my buddy has one of those nozzles you hook to an aerosol can so I am gonna rubberize undercoat the inside of the frame

__________________
468/TKO600 Ford thru bolt equipped 64 Tempest Custom. Custom Nocturne Blue with black interior.
  #32  
Old 12-19-2017, 03:49 AM
STEELCITYFIREBIRD's Avatar
STEELCITYFIREBIRD STEELCITYFIREBIRD is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: "STEELER COUNTRY"
Posts: 2,965
Default

A splash of acrylic enamel hardener makes rustoleum cure fast and like cement... and shine like Willis heel.

  #33  
Old 12-19-2017, 08:58 AM
HWYSTR455's Avatar
HWYSTR455 HWYSTR455 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 16,217
Default

Instead of rubberized undercoating, use truck bed liner instead. Or better yet, the eastwood internal frame coating.

.

__________________
.

1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624
1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger
Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be
  #34  
Old 12-19-2017, 09:49 AM
tstroud tstroud is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Iowa
Posts: 187
Default

If you have a napa store nearby look into their "Rust proof M/D". It is similar to POR 12 but more UV resistant and somewhat lower priced. At least it was here. I used it on my frame and suspension after having it blasted locally.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

  #35  
Old 12-19-2017, 12:27 PM
tiretread tiretread is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Sumter, SC
Posts: 67
Default

Just to throw another hat into the ring...RustBullet is some good stuff. Lays down nice out of a gun and you can use a topcoat on it as well.

  #36  
Old 12-19-2017, 12:36 PM
HoneyHush HoneyHush is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Florence,Ky.
Posts: 246
Default

I've used the Tractor Supply tractor and Implement paint on 3 cars now. I like the gloss black on the frame and underside because it shines up so much and is very easy to clean. I have brushed it on and sprayed it on with a cheap airless sprayer from Harbor Freight ....both with excellent results. It's only like 20 bucks a gallon and worked a 100% better than the por-15 for me that I used on my old car. I like the different colors available as well and have done my gas tank in the mf grey and it all has held up extremely well so far after a year so far. I will stick to the Tractor Supply stuff myself....hope this helps ya some in your decision.

  #37  
Old 12-19-2017, 04:19 PM
J.C.you's Avatar
J.C.you J.C.you is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: moccasin bayou, Louisiana
Posts: 4,915
Default

Been spraying the raptor bed liner over the Eastwood encapsulator under my rides.

__________________


1963 Cat SD Clone (old school) streeter
1964 GTO post coupe, tripower, 4speed (build)
1965 GTO 389 tripower, 4 speed, driver
1966 GTO dragcar
1966 GTO Tri power, 4speed, barn find
1966 GTO Ragtop
1969 GTO Judge RA lll, auto
1970 GP SSJ
1970 GTO barn find..TLB…390 horse?….yeh, 390
1973 Grand Safari wagon, 700hp stoplight sleeper
525ci DCI & 609ci LM V head builds
Factory stock oval track car
  #38  
Old 12-19-2017, 05:30 PM
dataway's Avatar
dataway dataway is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Greenfield TN
Posts: 9,275
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by STEELCITYFIREBIRD View Post
A splash of acrylic enamel hardener makes rustoleum cure fast and like cement... and shine like Willis heel.
What he said. I spayed mine with Rustoleum Satin black (quart can thinned) with Velspar enamel hardener in it. Tough as nails, can be repaired, touched up, unlike powder.

Had it blasted for $300. The bare frame will fit in the back of a standard bed pickup if you strap it down at the front of the bed.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	GTO-Frame-painted-4.jpg
Views:	182
Size:	112.5 KB
ID:	470463   Click image for larger version

Name:	GTO-Frame-painted-2.jpg
Views:	178
Size:	58.3 KB
ID:	470464  

  #39  
Old 12-19-2017, 07:20 PM
Singleton Singleton is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: coastal Alabama
Posts: 1,232
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dataway View Post
What he said. I spayed mine with Rustoleum Satin black (quart can thinned) with Velspar enamel hardener in it. Tough as nails, can be repaired, touched up, unlike powder.
X2. Did my frame using Rustoleum satin paired with the valspar enamel hardener.

__________________

66 GTO, 495, M22, Strange S-60 w/4.10
Sold new at Royal Pontiac (Dealer# 07-679)

70 Formula 400/auto
  #40  
Old 12-20-2017, 10:08 AM
HWYSTR455's Avatar
HWYSTR455 HWYSTR455 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 16,217
Default

You can touch up a part that's been powder coated, just choose a powder color that is similar to a rattle can color. I chose a color that is a semi-gloss black, and can use engine paint rattle cans.

You can color sand and polish powder coatings. You can use auto paint touch up bottles that have the brush caps, fill a scratch, color sand, and polish, can get it to where you have to really look to see the repair, if you can tell at all.

.

__________________
.

1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624
1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger
Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:40 PM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017