[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Bruce, hope to meet you and a bunch of others at Norwalk someday. But if I ever make it out there it will be as a spectator. Monumental effort to get a race car from here to Ohio.
Have plenty of .000s stickers. But they give them out in time trials so they don't mean much to me. .001 in competition is playing with fire. Rather have a bunch of .007s.
You ever cut that Torker 1 in half I gave you ?

I've got two cut in half
Under the bench currently. Thinking of joining front halves and finding someone to test it.
Long haul to tow 2/3 across the country but you could make quite a vacation out of the trip. Norwalk area and north along lake Erie are some pretty nice vacation spots.

Agree close lights are dangerous. .010-.020 max is my comfort zone.

[Probird]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Don't forget the cubed steak.

And the cubed ice for the sweet tea!

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by Probird

And the cubed ice for the sweet tea!

Oooh! SweetTeaTTF!

[Stan Weiss]

Getting back to "CUBED" TIGERS". Other than maybe Dwight and John Snyder who has made as much Pontiac N/A HP as John Langer?

Stan

[Mike Davis]

Langer=CVJuans
CHIT NASA couldn't produce

[ho428]

CV's and a Unicorn have a lot in common.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by ho428

CV's and a Unicorn have a lot in common.

Still a few around, high end street car stuff. High effort race cars ?????????
Who is left that is not having troubles ?
Futon, their savior needs to show up and tear up some E heads.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

We're doing a pair of cubed Tiger heads....they are going to be Bad Azz!!! Probably faster than our solid core Buick heads.

Your pal Brian ? Or does Barton get the honor again ?

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Still a few around, high end street car stuff. High effort race cars ?????????
Who is left that is not having troubles ?
Futon, their savior needs to show up and tear up some E heads.

Well he tore up his old e-heads!



GTO George

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Your pal Brian ? Or does Barton get the honor again ?

What? What does Paul's post have to do with me or Barton?

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Well he tore up his old e-heads!



GTO George

Well, not the way I meant it. I meant it in a way, that he should prove that they are hands down a better head. Go kick some butt.
He shown that he could out run his 400cfm E heads with the same cam as with his standard wide ports. Did not give them a fair shot IMO.
Ran faster, know of mid 7.60 pass and maybe a 7.56. But he ran a 7.71 with E heads. Who is to say that if he had given the new 400cfm WPs a real effort, new cam and trying to maximize the combo he could not have gotten the tenth-tenth and a half gain from the CVs ? Not a lot of gain for all the money it "should" have cost him. Bet they were a freebee.
E heads are a great head for the vast majority of racers. Can make 1100HP + without huge effort. Racers don't have a hard time keeping plugs in them, or worse. Great engines hit the same every hole.
A few have stepped up to some of the billet heads. Make more power, sure. But not "that" much more really. 100HP-250HP for multiple "tens" of thousands of dollars more.
Hey, if you can afford it that is awesome. Great to be you.
But the money I am hearing for the top ends, is just nuts, bonkers crazy for what your get back for almost everyone but a few.
But George, myself being a NA guy people are starting to go your direction. Put a blower, centrifugal or turbo on it. Cheaper in the long run.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by slowbird

What? What does Paul's post have to do with me or Barton?

Asking him if he was doing your heads. Hey, when you pull my leg in a PM about it you get what you get. Could have just said you dont want to say right now.
I have a hard time thinking you would go away from Barton, he does great work.
Pro Stock guys trust him.
Maybe you are selling everything, who knows.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Well he tore up his old e-heads!



GTO George

Not exactly

[Tom Vaught]

Dragncar, when Marty Palbykin went 6.96 in the quarter he had a set of cast iron #62 Heads that never flowed a cfm over 270 cfm. More like 262-265 cfm.

But he ran some boost and methanol fuel.
Durable for 3 years of racing and then the stock cast iron 67m Pontiac Block eventually cracked.

So the point is if you used a better block being able to run 6s with boost is not an issue. It was done in 1996. This is 2018 and parts for the most part are better. That is a fact. No snide comments from the 8 second guys. Cooper tried for years to go fast with a roots style supercharger, constantly tore up engine parts. He put a Procharger centrifugal supercharger on his car and is going fast at norwalk these days.

Tom V.

[GTOGEORGE]

Don’t forget he was 100 lbs heavier with the cv heads.....that’s pretty darn good with a head change. Eheads are a good starter head but KRE HP is a better bang for your buck!
Blower cheaper, HAH........build one first then see how cheap it is! It don’t cost much to run 20’s.....seriously, go make some HP!

GTO George

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Dragncar, when Marty Palbykin went 6.96 in the quarter he had a set of cast iron #62 Heads that never flowed a cfm over 270 cfm. More like 262-265 cfm.

But he ran some boost and methanol fuel.
Durable for 3 years of racing and then the stock cast iron 67m Pontiac Block eventually cracked.

So the point is if you used a better block being able to run 6s with boost is not an issue. It was done in 1996. This is 2018 and parts for the most part are better. That is a fact. No snide comments from the 8 second guys. Cooper tried for years to go fast with a roots style supercharger, constantly tore up engine parts. He put a Procharger centrifugal supercharger on his car and is going fast at norwalk these days.

Tom V.

Tom, I was throwing George a bone. Boost, I would go Vortec just because it was simpler less complicated than turbos. But turbos are the best.

[Dragncar]

Originally Posted by GTOGEORGE

Don’t forget he was 100 lbs heavier with the cv heads.....that’s pretty darn good with a head change. Eheads are a good starter head but KRE HP is a better bang for your buck!
Blower cheaper, HAH........build one first then see how cheap it is! It don’t cost much to run 20’s.....seriously, go make some HP!

GTO George

KRE High Ports are the better head (have both) Still, one has yet to beat Mike L.
Shows how underrated the E head is and just how good Mike, Marcella and S Brown were together.

If Langer says he is going boost because even "he" can not afford it anymore, I will take him at his word. 5K for a weekend. I spend 200$. Heard he has several sets of 500$+ pac springs in his pit. Checks them every run. Expensive game.

[GTOGEORGE]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

KRE High Ports are the better head (have both) Still, one has yet to beat Mike L.
Shows how underrated the E head is and just how good Mike, Marcella and S Brown were together.

If Langer says he is going boost because even "he" can not afford it anymore, I will take him at his word. 5K for a weekend. I spend 200$. Heard he has several sets of 500$+ pac springs in his pit. Checks them every run. Expensive game.

Langer is running heads up I’m sure they all are dishing out that much! If you want to play you got to pay! $200 for you that’s probably counting a $125 entry fee! LOL! I go through 4 gal of alky per run, that’s not counting warming it up that’s another 4 gal at up to $4.50!a gal.


GTO George

[slowbird]

Originally Posted by Dragncar

Asking him if he was doing your heads. Hey, when you pull my leg in a PM about it you get what you get. Could have just said you dont want to say right now.
I have a hard time thinking you would go away from Barton, he does great work.
Pro Stock guys trust him.
Maybe you are selling everything, who knows.

You can keep fishing, since im so slow im not sure why you care so much what i do. But when i figure out what im doing ill be sure to tell you. Right now I have no running engine.

[Scott Roberts]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Dragncar, when Marty Palbykin went 6.96 in the quarter he had a set of cast iron #62 Heads that never flowed a cfm over 270 cfm. More like 262-265 cfm.

But he ran some boost and methanol fuel.
Durable for 3 years of racing and then the stock cast iron 67m Pontiac Block eventually cracked.

So the point is if you used a better block being able to run 6s with boost is not an issue. It was done in 1996. This is 2018 and parts for the most part are better. That is a fact. No snide comments from the 8 second guys. Cooper tried for years to go fast with a roots style supercharger, constantly tore up engine parts. He put a Procharger centrifugal supercharger on his car and is going fast at norwalk these days.

Tom V.

It wasn't the roots blowers fault..