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Sounds like a great car!
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68 GTO Ram Air I Auto, Starlight Black/Teal-Survivor 68 Firebird Ram Air II 4spd, Aegena Blue/Black/Black 68 Firebird 400 Conv. Auto, Red/Parchment/Parchment 69 Firebird Ram Air IV, 4spd Matador Red/Black-Survivor 71 GTO 455HO 4spd, Lucerne Blue/Black/Black 71 GTO 455HO Auto, Lucerne Blue/Sandalwood/Blue |
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Last edited by nmoreilly; 09-29-2020 at 05:26 PM. |
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Great guy to talk to and he had some really good stories of that time and filled in a bunch of mysteries of the car. I told him that I plan on calling every month or so just to hear more and if he thought of any great stories, call me. Sometimes the history of these cars are even better then the cars themselves.
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Cool Story!
Wouldn't know the zone and dealer number of Orwig Motors? (and street address?)
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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I believe the MPC book shows same part number for the scoop bezel as non RA cars. The part number gets cut off when the scoops are opened up.
When I bought my car in the late 80s.....the owner gave me a set of Verdoro green painted closed scoops. The car was Mayfair Maize by that time and the open scoops were on the car. Owner said when her husband first took delivery of the car in California the dealership installed the ram air system that was in the trunk complete with a set of open hood scoops. I asked if they were painted and she didnt remember. The cut is very clean. The back of the scoop is not cut out....it is cut off. If you look closely, you might see some witness marks from the saw blade.i think it is on the outer edges. I talked to a guy who said he owned two RAII hardrops and he also said the scoops were in the trunk and they were open but he doesnt remember if the dealer cut them out or if they shipped that way. Back to my car..... In the box with the closed scoops, there was a single snorkel air cleaner with chrome lid and the heat shield for the exhaust manifold and a single sheet of instructions for installing the kit. Somewhere on that page there was directive to reinstall the closed scoops and original air cleaner in inclement weather. If that is the case, then it makes sense to ship a second set of scoops. The open scoops on my car had red oxide primer on the underside.....do your scoops have any primer on them? Last edited by PurelyGTO68; 09-30-2020 at 12:54 AM. |
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2x4 and 4.33 Gears ,,, he was in a hurry to get there Incredible you guys found each other. Wish i could connect with any of the original owners of my GTO's. Quote:
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The speed shop made custom offset rear rims so he could run 9" slicks without rubbing. They cut up the front inner fenders and moved the brake lines for large tube over the frame headers. (was another mystery that now I know the answer) He said there was a picture of the front wheels about a foot off the ground but can not find any pictures or paperwork from the car. It was all at his mothers house in Alliance but must have got lost to time. John: Did not ask him specifically, but the address I found years ago for Orwig Motors was 75 Glamorgan St, Alliance, OH. It is now a mini mall/offices
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It was later Paul Smith Pontiac. My dad bought a couple cars there in the seventh. One guy ordered 2 74 Sd birds. They came in together, and we're sitting in the double stall service area. A friend of ours still has the Formula
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Thanks for the info guys!
Was Paul Smith Pontiac in same place? By the Glamorgan Castle? OT: cool place sounds like for the castle.
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John Wallace - johnta1 Pontiac Power RULES !!! www.wallaceracing.com Winner of Top Class at Pontiac Nationals, 2004 Cordova Winner of Quick 16 At Ames 2004 Pontiac Tripower Nats KRE's MR-1 - 1st 5 second Pontiac block ever! "Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." – Socrates |
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Progress on car #20.
Still working on making this car more correct. Today installed original booster that was rebuilt and replated along with metering valve bracket. Also replaced early 70's master cylinder with correct 68 version. Installed back up light switch on correct shifter and new back up light extension harness. Still need to decide what to do for a carb.
Before and after pics on booster and master cylinder. |
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In my 3/69 MPC, there is a listing for "Ram Air" Hood Scoop Ornaments (separate from the standard scoop ornament)
- 68 Firebird # 9794283/84 - 68 GTO # 9794281/82 Back in '78, I actually had a set of the GTO RA (open) scoops new in the box. Left them in the trunk when I sold the car.
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Insurance value?
Looking for some feedback/guidance on insurance value for car #18. Its about as finished as it's going to be for a while. I plan to drive it around this fall/winter and see what adjustments or corrections I need to make. I can already tell the mechanical fuel pump can't fill the float bowl fast enough because I run out of gas at high rpm. I will probably need to see if there is a high flow version available that looks stockish.
Before I get her out on the road regularly.....I want to up my coverage. I am thinking $150,000. Too high? Not enough? About right? What do you guys think? |
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Insurance is a double edged sword. It is expensive for high dollar cars but you gotta have it. I try and manage my costs because i have 4 collector car policies. I look at actual sale prices including auctions and private sales. Then i consider how much money i actually have in the car. Thats how i arrive at a value i feel comfortable with. The RA II cars don't change hands often so data is scarce. I did a search a while back and found the most recent sale results at the 2016 Barret auction. Jim Mattisons original #matching car (did not have correct exhaust manifolds) sold for $132k. Another very nicely restored RA II without original engine but correct codes sold for $110k. Both cars were professionally restored but not convertibles like yours. You can also look at the Hagerty value guide as it does provide values based on condition and body style. You can insure it for as much as you want within reason. As long as you want to pay higher premiums the insurance companies will oblige.
As for carb running out of fuel i had a similar problem when running my 67 GTO in Stock ET with the NMCA. Car would nose over hard at top of second gear (Turbo 400). I left small stock fuel line in place but ran a larger line right beside it up to stock mechanical pump. I also installed a Carter pusher pump back by the gas tank and hid the switch in the ash tray. If i make a full throttle run and forget to turn the pump on the car will nose over. With pump on it never skips a beat. Also helps fill carb for starting when car has set for a while and fuel has evaporated. |
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Only 5 convertibles known remain.....so that is a bit of a wildcard. Frame has partial VIN and axle is original and proper date code so that helps in some people's minds. |
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With only 199 GTO RA II 4 speed cars and 4.33 gears, I think only a very few have their born with drivetrains. These were really factory race cars and the 4.33 gears surely led to many engines being replaced. My car does not have born with engine or 4 speed. However i have managed to gather up a correct WY block with appropriate date code. The M21 also has appropriate date code as do the factory RA II exhaust manifolds. The rear axle is original to the car. Missing correct carb and distributor. The distributor i have is correct for 68 4 speed but not RA II. I have a complete 68 engine to rob parts from such as factory bolts, timing cover, and other odds and ends that were the same on all 68 V8's.
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Resurrecting this thread to update the 68 RA II GTO 4 speed CONVERTIBLE that sold recently at BJ auction. This was the car owned by PurelyGTO68 and on the list. A very nicely done frame off restoration. The BJ website has the car listed as sold for $132k. These cars are rare and do not change hands often. The last auction results I could find were for Jim Mattisons hardtop car that sold for $132k and another one that sold for $110k both at BJ in 2016.
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One day I hope the availability of one of these cars lines up with my means to fund a purchase.
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Ken '68 GTO - 464 - Ram Air II heads - 236/242 roller - 9.5” TSP converter - Moser 3.55 Truetrac (build thread | walk around) '95 Comp T/A #6 M6 - bone stock (pics) |
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RAM AIR II ON EBAY
Very interesting car on eBay, it basically only has 1 option, AM radio. The other Being the Ram Air II Engine, which required the close ratio M21 and the 4.33 rear end. Too bad somebody stole the VIN and trim tag.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/26516290426...2Cchnl%3Dmkcid |
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