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Old 02-08-2022, 04:19 AM
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Visner recommended cross bolt mains on a Pontiac over 2,500 hp but would make one without. It was a couple grand difference.

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Visner recommended cross bolt mains on a Pontiac over 2,500 hp but would make one without. It was a couple grand difference.
Based on our experience, that seems like a reasonable threshold.

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hell the way the world is turning currently......steel anything will be obsolete soon. I can't wait to see a titanium crankshaft!!!

While I can appreciate the machining and certainly know whats involved with the programming stuff too, I would be more impressed if i saw some old dude standing beside a Bridgeport knee high in chips.

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hell the way the world is turning currently......steel anything will be obsolete soon. I can't wait to see a titanium crankshaft!!!

While I can appreciate the machining and certainly know whats involved with the programming stuff too, I would be more impressed if i saw some old dude standing beside a Bridgeport knee high in chips.
If you went to Moldex Crankshaft today, you would see exactly what you mentioned in paragraph 2. World War II type machines that could do a 12 cylinder crankshaft if one was needed. BUT YOU WOULD PROBABLY WAIT FOR
A YEAR OR MORE TO GET THE PART.

CNC means quick delivery.

CNC means the guy writing the program knew what he was doing prior to turning the CNC machine on.

CNC means holding good tolerances but not necessarily tolerances to within
.0002" on the crankshaft.

Most would not have the patience to go down that path.

There is a place for steady and slow vs CNC quick and still very good in some cases. When NASCAR was young, Mr Bob Gillian and his 20 guys grinding crankshafts after they were forged by Kellogg was the way to go.

Joe Flowers is a 3 man shop.

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WONDERED WHERE THAT OTHER 3000 HORSEPOWER SUDDENLY CAME FROM. LOL.

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Tom - i remembered wrong.

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Old 02-08-2022, 07:56 PM
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Tom - i remembered wrong.
I USUALLY remember correctly, but it takes 3 times as long to get the info out of my brain.

Now if you took the aero out of the required equation and the loss thru the tire driving the typical
dual rolls or 67 inch single drum type dynos, that 5500 number might change a bit upward.
Example: no aero, no tire, hub dyno, who can say what the number actually is on the track.

Really just running a pre-dragstrip Tuning/ Durability test.

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Old 02-09-2022, 01:47 AM
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That's all great and all but why would u make a billet block without all the current wiz bang stuff?
A) ur a dumbass farmer who's daddy funded u and is dumber than u are
B) You don't know any better
C) You don't know anything about making durable power..
D) all of the above...

I'm going with D...

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Old 02-09-2022, 03:27 PM
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Might be something as simple as the CNC machine they own cannot make a skirted block
with the model they have. (Not enough travel) or it might be exactly like you posted.)

Not going there.

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It's just an opinion George. So what's urs on the deal? There are available blocks now that can handle current power levels to 3k or so for probably 1/3 the cost..what's the advantage of that block?

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It's just an opinion George. So what's urs on the deal? There are available blocks now that can handle current power levels to 3k or so for probably 1/3 the cost..what's the advantage of that block?
I’m going to talk to them first and once I talk to them I’ll come up with an opinion after the facts!
Really it doesn’t matter what some non-racers think!

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Old 02-10-2022, 09:18 PM
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That's all great and all but why would u make a billet block without all the current wiz bang stuff?
A) ur a dumbass farmer who's daddy funded u and is dumber than u are
B) You don't know any better
C) You don't know anything about making durable power..
D) all of the above...

I'm going with D...
I'll admit that I have no clue who you are, so maybe you are superior to the Kauffman guys...But, something tells me that they are far from being dumb...

So, why did you post this?

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Old 02-10-2022, 10:11 PM
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I’m going to talk to them first and once I talk to them I’ll come up with an opinion after the facts!
Really it doesn’t matter what some non-racers think!

GTO George
Must be confusing this Scott Roberts with the Guy who had a Funny Car team racing a Pontiac some years ago. I would not call him a NON-RACER.
Just a racer that moved on, just like Eric and Mike have done with their Funny Car.

Having never driven/owned a Pontiac Funny car I would not be throwing rocks about being a non-racer.

Tom V.

If the Pontiac guy Mike is building the road race car and engine for goes into that field of racing,
is he suddenly a NON-RACER and knows nothing about DRAG RACING. Interesting.

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Must be confusing this Scott Roberts with the Guy who had a Funny Car team racing a Pontiac some years ago. I would not call him a NON-RACER.
Just a racer that moved on, just like Eric and Mike have done with their Funny Car.

Having never driven/owned a Pontiac Funny car I would not be throwing rocks about being a non-racer.

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If the Pontiac guy Mike is building the road race car and engine for goes into that field of racing,
is he suddenly a NON-RACER and knows nothing about DRAG RACING. Interesting.

So, who is Scott Roberts, and how does he compare to the Kauffman group?

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So, who is Scott Roberts, and how does he compare to the Kauffman group?
He’s a nobody like Tom and nether one can compare to the Kauffman’s when it comes to turf Pontiac community!


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So, who is Scott Roberts, and how does he compare to the Kauffman group?
KRE NEVER RAN A FUNNY CAR. ROBERTS DID

HERE IS THE VIDEO.

Here is a Youtube link on one of the pass of Scott's Funny Car at VMP on 03-07-09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP0J73amq3k

How fast? Fast enough to set a speed record.

Dave Wilcox was the driver. Ignore the guys in the peanut gallery.

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KRE NEVER RAN A FUNNY CAR. ROBERTS DID

HERE IS THE VIDEO.

Here is a Youtube link on one of the pass of Scott's Funny Car at VMP on 03-07-09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP0J73amq3k

How fast? Fast enough to set a speed record.

Dave Wilcox was the driver. Ignore the guys in the peanut gallery.

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KRE has or had a Pro Mod, Pro Stock type car, Alcohol Dragster (yes a few of them still hold Pontiac ET or MPH records).....KRE also has made a few things for Pontiacs........4 Cast Aluminum heads, 3 Billet aluminum heads, 3 Engine Blocks (Cast & Billet Aluminum, Steel Block), a few intakes.......my gosh the list goes on and on and on!


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KRE NEVER RAN A FUNNY CAR. ROBERTS DID

HERE IS THE VIDEO.

Here is a Youtube link on one of the pass of Scott's Funny Car at VMP on 03-07-09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP0J73amq3k

How fast? Fast enough to set a speed record.

Dave Wilcox was the driver. Ignore the guys in the peanut gallery.

Tom V.
Why isnt there an ET and MPH included in that video? How does Scott being involved with a funny car make him superior to anyone else? What am I missing here?

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Old 02-11-2022, 09:24 AM
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Why isnt there an ET and MPH included in that video? How does Scott being involved with a funny car make him superior to anyone else? What am I missing here?
You're not missing anything.. I'm nobody with a big mouth and strong opinion... much like yourself.
Remind me who you are?

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You're not missing anything.. I'm nobody with a big mouth and strong opinion... much like yourself.
Remind me who you are?
Touched a nerve huh? I'm just curious why you posted such a crappy post about the Kauffman guys.

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