Pontiac - Street No question too basic here!

          
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-26-2025, 10:03 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 2,051
Default aftermarket timing covers

Been cleaning up my cover now, not sure i want to use it............was thinking of getting a new one and using the waterneck from KRE to use on a 66 tripower manifold without the dimple in the timing cover.

Any issues you guys running into with the aftermarket timing covers

Rich

  #2  
Old 11-26-2025, 11:00 PM
grivera's Avatar
grivera grivera is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Just south of Baltimore
Posts: 5,871
Default

I have a reproduction on the bird and a KRE on the 66 - both are great

__________________
Will Rivera

'69 Firebird, 400/461, 290 Eddy D-Ports, HR 230/236, 4l80E, 8.5 Rear, 3.55 gears
'69 LeMans Vert, XS 350, #47 heads, TH400, 10 Bolt 3.23 gears, work in progress
‘66 Lemans, 455, 310 KRE D-Ports, HR 236/245, TH400, GV OD, 12 bolt 3.73 gears - see it here:
https://youtu.be/RP_s1wJKm_Y?si=K0NZxoTyaGcj8Dcb
  #3  
Old 11-27-2025, 09:46 AM
78w72 78w72 is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: iowa
Posts: 5,598
Default

Whats wrong with the current cover? Unless its damaged or has heavy corrosion pitting, save some $$ and clean it up to reuse it. Probably doesnt need to be glass beaded either, just clean/degrease/scuff it up to repaint. Can also use normal blaster media at low psi further away without any problems too, new shop should have a blaster.

  #4  
Old 11-27-2025, 12:55 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 2,051
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 78w72 View Post
Whats wrong with the current cover? Unless its damaged or has heavy corrosion pitting, save some $$ and clean it up to reuse it. Probably doesnt need to be glass beaded either, just clean/degrease/scuff it up to repaint. Can also use normal blaster media at low psi further away without any problems too, new shop should have a blaster.
Hey Scott, happy thanksgiving, im not sure of the condition of this one, i have a small chip on bottom, dont think thats any problem, have some heli-coils in there also, getting the paint off seems to be the biggest problem so far.

What do you think, roll the dice and use it

Rich
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Cleaning timing cover (1).jpg
Views:	90
Size:	56.4 KB
ID:	661387   Click image for larger version

Name:	Cleaning timing cover (2).jpg
Views:	86
Size:	51.9 KB
ID:	661388  

The Following User Says Thank You to gtorich For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old 11-27-2025, 01:35 PM
67Lemons 67Lemons is offline
Chief Ponti-yacker
 
Join Date: Dec 2023
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 530
Default

I bought one of these blast guns to use with my compressor and it’s pretty effective. You can use baking soda with aluminum, it takes a while but it will clean paint off of the surface without damaging it, you can also use sand or glass with it.

https://www.harborfreight.com/18-oz-...kit-59490.html

__________________
1972 GTO
The Following User Says Thank You to 67Lemons For This Useful Post:
  #6  
Old 11-27-2025, 04:13 PM
grivera's Avatar
grivera grivera is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Just south of Baltimore
Posts: 5,871
Default

That cover appears to be in great shape. And you don’t necessarily need to remove all the paint - just make sure it’s smooth and doesn’t flake off, then scuff and shoot.

__________________
Will Rivera

'69 Firebird, 400/461, 290 Eddy D-Ports, HR 230/236, 4l80E, 8.5 Rear, 3.55 gears
'69 LeMans Vert, XS 350, #47 heads, TH400, 10 Bolt 3.23 gears, work in progress
‘66 Lemans, 455, 310 KRE D-Ports, HR 236/245, TH400, GV OD, 12 bolt 3.73 gears - see it here:
https://youtu.be/RP_s1wJKm_Y?si=K0NZxoTyaGcj8Dcb
The Following User Says Thank You to grivera For This Useful Post:
  #7  
Old 11-27-2025, 05:56 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 2,051
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grivera View Post
That cover appears to be in great shape. And you don’t necessarily need to remove all the paint - just make sure it’s smooth and doesn’t flake off, then scuff and shoot.
I hear ya Will, ive been cleaning it up today, looking pretty good, think i will need a few coats to cover up some of the scratches......i might have went a little cave man on the sanding. Seeing im down to mostly bare alum, does it pay to put on a self etch primer, or just go primer than the pretty metallic blue stuff.

Thanks for the info guys

Rich

  #8  
Old 11-27-2025, 06:04 PM
grivera's Avatar
grivera grivera is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Just south of Baltimore
Posts: 5,871
Default

I use self etching primer any time I get down to metal

__________________
Will Rivera

'69 Firebird, 400/461, 290 Eddy D-Ports, HR 230/236, 4l80E, 8.5 Rear, 3.55 gears
'69 LeMans Vert, XS 350, #47 heads, TH400, 10 Bolt 3.23 gears, work in progress
‘66 Lemans, 455, 310 KRE D-Ports, HR 236/245, TH400, GV OD, 12 bolt 3.73 gears - see it here:
https://youtu.be/RP_s1wJKm_Y?si=K0NZxoTyaGcj8Dcb
  #9  
Old 11-27-2025, 06:55 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 2,051
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grivera View Post
I use self etching primer any time I get down to metal
Hey, thanks for that info Will, just wanted to double check with you, as of right now i dont have all the paint off, but most of it.

After cleaning it up some, i noticed a few issues, on these pics if you enlarge them by the part number in front, i can catch my finger nail in one spot, the rest of the parting line is smooth, nothing on the backside.

Also where the gasket goes in looks a little shakey , front and back side of that.

Im gonna go and paint it though and see how it looks, hopefully the paint covers the scratches.

Still up in the air on this deal, new one is $130-150, waterneck from kre $65 for the tripower neck.

Rich
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Timing cover 1 (2).jpg
Views:	56
Size:	62.2 KB
ID:	661409   Click image for larger version

Name:	Timing cover 1 (3).jpg
Views:	48
Size:	55.2 KB
ID:	661410   Click image for larger version

Name:	Timing cover 1 (1).jpg
Views:	48
Size:	49.7 KB
ID:	661411  

  #10  
Old 11-27-2025, 06:57 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 2,051
Default

No idea, why the pics are sideways again..............hope everyone has a great thanksgiving

Rich

  #11  
Old 11-27-2025, 07:09 PM
b-man's Avatar
b-man b-man is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sunny So Cal
Posts: 17,615
Default

Try cropping your photos slightly before downloading, that should stop them from getting sideways.

If you’re not happy with the deeper scratches keep sanding with finer grit paper until they’re gone. Painting over deep scratches won’t hide them much if at all.

Happy Thanksgiving.

__________________
1964 Tempest Coupe LS3/4L70E/3.42
1964 Le Mans Convertible 421 HO/TH350/3.08
2002 WS6 Convertible LS1/4L60E/3.23
1966 VW Type 2 Single Cab Pickup 140hp 2276
1956 VW Type 2 Panel Van 36hp 1200
1957 VW Type 1 Beetle 180hp 2276
  #12  
Old 11-27-2025, 07:27 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 2,051
Default

Thants Bart, i will try that

Was curious about that line i had going thru the piece by the part number, looked at quite a few on the web, cant find one with that line, hoping that isnt a crack.

  #13  
Old 11-27-2025, 07:46 PM
Mr Twister's Avatar
Mr Twister Mr Twister is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wayland, Michigan
Posts: 1,005
Default

I got an Allstar one off Amazon and it worked great.

  #14  
Old 11-27-2025, 08:56 PM
mgarblik mgarblik is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 6,992
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtorich View Post
Thants Bart, i will try that

Was curious about that line i had going thru the piece by the part number, looked at quite a few on the web, cant find one with that line, hoping that isnt a crack.
That "crack" looks like a die cast molding line. I say this because it continues on the other side of the front seal hole. If it was a real crack, it should have stopped at the seal hole. A crack shouldn't continue on the other side of a hole.

  #15  
Old 11-27-2025, 09:39 PM
grivera's Avatar
grivera grivera is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Just south of Baltimore
Posts: 5,871
Default

Definitely looks like a parting line vs a crack. Keep in mind, once installed and accessories in place, it will be hard to see any blemishes. The gasket surfaces are where you want to concentrate your efforts. If you have any deep divers, mix up some JB weld, fill and same flat.

__________________
Will Rivera

'69 Firebird, 400/461, 290 Eddy D-Ports, HR 230/236, 4l80E, 8.5 Rear, 3.55 gears
'69 LeMans Vert, XS 350, #47 heads, TH400, 10 Bolt 3.23 gears, work in progress
‘66 Lemans, 455, 310 KRE D-Ports, HR 236/245, TH400, GV OD, 12 bolt 3.73 gears - see it here:
https://youtu.be/RP_s1wJKm_Y?si=K0NZxoTyaGcj8Dcb
  #16  
Old 11-27-2025, 09:47 PM
HWYSTR455's Avatar
HWYSTR455 HWYSTR455 is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 16,206
Default

Butler sells timing covers for $150.

Once you have a new one, you probably won't ever need another. Nice when they are 'true', less chance of leaks.

I would chase all the threads before installing it, and use anti-seize, on the pump plate insert bodies & the long bolts that go to the block where water flows. You will be glad you did the next time you remove it.

Coat the entire length of those bolts.


.

__________________
.

1970 GTO Judge Tribute Pro-Tour Project 535 IA2
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=760624
1971 Trans Am 463, 315cfm E-head Sniper XFlow EFI, TKO600 extreme, 9", GW suspension, Baer brakes, pro tour car
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...ght=procharger
Theme Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKAS...ature=youtu.be
  #17  
Old 11-27-2025, 09:51 PM
gtorich gtorich is offline
Ultimate Warrior
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: oshkosh, Wi
Posts: 2,051
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgarblik View Post
That "crack" looks like a die cast molding line. I say this because it continues on the other side of the front seal hole. If it was a real crack, it should have stopped at the seal hole. A crack shouldn't continue on the other side of a hole.
Mike, thats interesting, i was thinking some kind of parting line, but when i looked at all the others on ebay, FB...........they didnt have that line, most of them said DieCast in them...............on mine just says 482883 and the number 71 in a circle.

Will, you are right, once everything is on you cant see much anyways, problem with this piece is if something goes wrong, its a pita to take everything apart again.

Never had a leak there, so just overthinking stuff as usual

Rich

  #18  
Old 11-28-2025, 10:35 AM
78w72 78w72 is offline
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: iowa
Posts: 5,598
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gtorich View Post
Hey Scott, happy thanksgiving, im not sure of the condition of this one, i have a small chip on bottom, dont think thats any problem, have some heli-coils in there also, getting the paint off seems to be the biggest problem so far.

What do you think, roll the dice and use it

Rich
Thanks, Hope you had a good T-day too!

That cover looks to be in pretty good shape compared to some others Ive seen... Helicoils arent a problem, actually stronger than the original aluminum threads. The paint should come off with a blaster or even a chemical stripper at home... or if its still in good shape and mot flaking, scuff it up & paint over it. I would clean it up and reuse it for sure.

The gasket surface doesnt look too bad, have seen a lot worse from corrosion and they seal up fine when using a thin bead or a good RTV, can also fill any pits with JB weld as mentioned but that doesnt look bad at all, RTV with the gaskets should be fine, (thin bead smoothed with your finger on both sides of gasket)

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:00 PM.

 

About Us

The PY Online Forums is the largest online gathering of Pontiac enthusiasts anywhere in the world. Founded in 1991, it was also the first online forum for people to gather and talk about their Pontiacs. Since then, it has become the mecca of Pontiac technical data and knowledge that no other place can surpass.

 




Copyright © 2017