[KS circutguy]

God, can you just imagine.
Federal probe underway after drivers report being trapped in electric vehicles;
Federal regulators are investigating reports of nearly a dozen people getting trapped inside of electric vehicles—after they lost power. Now, one local lawmakers bill on the table in Congress could change safety features in all electric vehicles. PJ Randhawa reports.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATA5UQXwXbM

[sdbob]

I wonder where all the power generation is coming from? Countries that have large ev usage? Wonder about their big trucks? Maybe someday EV s will be as popular as gas are now. Then, wondering how we did without them?

[jerry455]

I know people say solar is the way to make electricity but in Michigan, I think we have 300 days of cloudy skies. It doesn't work that great. Some countries generate their electricity by geothermal. As already has been said, Europe is a lot smaller than the U.S.A. I like EV's but don't want one yet. That is another problem, the extra weight. They eat tires and the government is going to figure out how to tax them, so they won't be cheaper than ICE vehicles. I still enjoy the sound of my V8 Suburban, my Firebird and the wife's Camaro SS when they start and when I accelerate. I saw the supercharged Escalade V with almost 700 hp is about $150,000 and an Escalade IQ EV is about the same. The power is similar, but I would take the V over the EV any day just for the fun factor and the great exhaust sound. EV's just don't have an appeal to me.

[Green Elephant]

Once my 2007 Grand Prix expires I’ll be going backwards, looking for a nice Pontiac from the early 2000’s or older. I prefer to do all my own maintenance as much as possible, and the new vehicles are concerning to say the least. They can keep all their electrical gadgets that will be non-functioning in five years or less.
I have zero desire for an EV. If they can shut off your power they can keep you from being mobile. They could do the same with ICE vehicles but it would take more effort to get that done. I’ll be using older ICE vehicles until I’m gone or they force me out of them.

[sdbob]

Watching train wreck crossing videos. One guy in a tesla had a camera in his car filming this. Coming up to a RR crossing , tesla going about 40 mph, car would not come out of some mode,train going thru crossing gates down he swerved down the stone's beside the tracks. Car showed some front end damage. He said this is not the first time. Thinking about a lawyer.

[jhein]

If something doesn't change fairly dramatically with modern cars, I'll probably never buy one again. That includes ICE vehicles. They're all over-teched, over-priced pieces of crap that are expensive to maintain and built to be disposed of in a few years. Right now my DD vehicle is a 2008 Toyota Sequoia that I bought new. It's been trouble free and and maintenance is not expensive. If I had to replace it today, I'd get a vintage vehicle that's been restored.

Something like this:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-k5-blazer-20/

[Mr Anonymous]

My own transportation blob will always be the "over 10 years old, 150,000 miles" category, because I couldn't pay the prices they want these days and be able to sleep at night. An EV could make sense for my 3x a week commute to the office 20 min away. The rest of the time, its a 200+ mile highway trip, or towing something heavy with my dually. Not exactly EV territory.

Trying to force the market to exist by government directive is more proof that communism has and always will suck as an economic model.

My life is a study in irony when it comes to vehicles anymore. Pontiac funny car team? I was the only one driving a Pontiac at the time, and I'm even more partial to the Olds community. Now its a v6 accord, which I hate to admit is one damn fine high speed highway car. From 80-105, it is just a dream and eats up interstate very impressively. Even more so since I de-activated its cylinder de-activation. Which I guess means that its now "cylinder activation".

[kingbuzzo]

I was at the gm stealership on Tuesday and my exact replacement truck (Canyonaro) is TWICE the price I paid ten years ago.

My paycheck hasn't doubled however my expenses have.

Good luck manufacturers, I'll be driving this truck until I die apparently.

The cheap chineez trucks they are allowing in Canada will eat them alive.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by RocktimusPryme

You cant order a base model with the big engine anymore. You want a V8 Camaro, its going to be an SS trim. The only place you can really spec order a car anymore is exotics.

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Incorrect.

Although the Camaro is now dead, for the last few years of production you could order an "LT1" Camaro and get the same engine/trans as the SS Camaro, without all the extra features.

I didn't find out about these until towards the end of production. I seriously considered custom ordering one, but they stopped taking orders before I could pull the trigger :-/

[SRR]

My newest vehicle is a 2011 Honda Accord 2 dr Coupe. It's very dependable and fun to drive. It has it's quirks like any car but nothing show stopping. 160,000 miles and still runs and drives like new. I DD a 95 Jeep Cherokee 4.0 4wd with 264,000 miles and it runs great with only the expected repairs on something this old with that many miles, exhaust manifold, AC compressor, PS hoses. It actually passes Ca. smog! It's a typical 90's Chrysler made vehicle but I only drive it 8 miles a day. I also have am 2001 Mercury Grand Marquis GSE, the car is extremely dependable and a joy to drive. Very easy to work on and parts aren't crazy expensive.
I couldn't imagine owning a new car, way too many horror stories out there for me along with the outrageous prices they command PLUS parts availability...

[Green Elephant]

[QUOTE=kingbuzzo;6610280]I was at the gm stealership

LOL, so true. I saw in a video the other day that to get a replacement door handle for a new GM truck, you have to purchase the whole door panel at a cost of roughly $500.

Detroit has completely lost the plot. I would gladly purchase a new truck if they made them with an LS V8, HEI ignition, throttle body injection, and leave all the electrical crap off of the vehicle, don’t need it. Give me a heater, reliable crank windows that won’t fail in two years, and a comfortable seating position. Oh, and reduce the cost, no way am I paying $70-90k for something that will need major repairs before it hits 50k miles.

[Scarebird]

This hatred of electric cars baffles me.

Only reason for it I see is political fanning the fear of change. Petrochemicals for all practical purposes are a finite resource, a resource that other things can only use such as fertilisers, plastics, lubricants, aircraft and ship fuel, paints etc. And electricity can be generated a multitude of renewable ways: solar, wind, tidal, hydro dams, geothermal for starters.

For the last 2 weeks my house has been a net positive regarding electricity use; I sell more power back to the national grid than I use, this is keepign the house at 70 and includes charging my Peugeot. And in comparison I refueled the Pontiac today: 100€ ($120) for 15 gallons. Mileage was mid teens as it was a lot of short trips and driven hard at times.

This will be the future, like it or not.

[ta6point6]

I bet with gas prices over 4 dollars a gallon there are a lot of people looking at EVs now. How many of us have gone through this same scenario with gas shortages and fuel prices spiking. I for one, as soon as I scrap the cash together, I am getting a Silverado EV 0-60 in 4.6 seconds and runs the 1/4 in 12.9 seconds and 400 miles of range. Some of the more expensive EV can run 9s in the 1/4 all day long. Of course an EV isnt for everyone depends on your state taxes , climate and more to your driving habits. If you mainly drive in town and under a 100 miles an EV sedan would work great. EVs will regenerate at a great rate with stop and go traffic. If you drive a lot of highway miles then a ICE vehicle will probably be a better fit although once again depends on battery pack size. Charging an EV on off hours will also be a huge cost savings, anyway you slice it an EV is cheaper then an ICE vehicle.
For people talking about too many electronics in modern cars, you do realize that 2000 and up cars also have tons of wiring in them and modern convivences like a computer that controls fuel injection and all the sensors that it need to keep engine running at optimal level.
If history has taught us anything it is that oil is a volatile commodity and is not going to change anytime soon. Unfortunately China has a big headstart on battery technology but sodium-ion here in the US is showing promise. It is more stable, costs less and has less voltage drop in extreme weather conditions. In development are batteries that can charge to 80% in under 15 minutes. Change is coming whether you are ready for it or not.
For context the first fuel injection cars were awful and slow and people were in an uproar that car manufactures were offering these types of cars. Now modern car engines with fuel injection are head and shoulders above carbureted engines in performance

[nas t eh]

Originally Posted by Scarebird

This hatred of electric cars baffles me.

Only reason for it I see is political fanning the fear of change. Petrochemicals for all practical purposes are a finite resource, a resource that other things can only use such as fertilisers, plastics, lubricants, aircraft and ship fuel, paints etc. And electricity can be generated a multitude of renewable ways: solar, wind, tidal, hydro dams, geothermal for starters.

For the last 2 weeks my house has been a net positive regarding electricity use; I sell more power back to the national grid than I use, this is keepign the house at 70 and includes charging my Peugeot. And in comparison I refueled the Pontiac today: 100€ ($120) for 15 gallons. Mileage was mid teens as it was a lot of short trips and driven hard at times.

This will be the future, like it or not.

I have solar on my home and I will be net positive April. - Sept and out produce my consumption for the year. But an electric car is just a commuter car until you can pack more range in it and charge it anywhere quickly. That is not the case yet, so I’m still firmly in the ICE camp. May consider plug-in hybrid, but not full electric, at least not yet.

[jhein]

I have a simple question. From a purely practical transportation usage standpoint, what is it that EVs do better than ICEVs?

[Scarebird]

Short range, under 100 miles daily - essentially your basic commute.

Simpler, no gas engine interchange complexity.

[Half-Inch Stud]

My old car hobby has the upper year at 2013 now, for daily drivers.

Building a 421+060 for something, likely the 96 Towncar.

As for replacement daily driver: a great stock paint in Green, Blue, with a driveline i can replace and work on.

Any vehicle over 2013 seems to have dealership-only and dis-abling features.

[KS circutguy]

Originally Posted by Half-Inch Stud

My old car hobby has the upper year at 2013 now, for daily drivers.

Building a 421+060 for something, likely the 96 Towncar.

As for replacement daily driver: a great stock paint in Green, Blue, with a driveline i can replace and work on.

Any vehicle over 2013 seems to have dealership-only and dis-abling features.

No tracking on older stuff.
They have been saying the same stuff about Ev's for 100 years.
The debate over electric vehicles (EVs) has indeed persisted for over a century, with recurring themes such as battery efficiency, range anxiety, and infrastructure challenges. Historically, EVs were once popular but declined due to the rise of internal combustion engines, and many of the criticisms faced today echo those from the early 1900s.
Historical Context of Electric Vehicles

The discussion surrounding electric vehicles (EVs) has been ongoing for over a century. Key issues such as battery efficiency, range anxiety, and the need for charging infrastructure have been central to this debate since the late 1800s.
Early Popularity and Decline

1890s Boom: Electric vehicles gained significant traction in the 1890s, with many early adopters favoring them for their ease of use and reliability.
Decline: By the early 20th century, the rise of internal combustion engines (ICE) led to a decline in EV popularity. Factors included:
Advancements in ICE Technology: Improvements in gasoline engines made them more appealing.
Infrastructure Limitations: The lack of widespread charging stations hindered EV adoption.

Recurring Themes in the EV Debate

The criticisms and challenges faced by EVs today mirror those from the past. Here are some common themes:
Issue Historical Context Current Relevance
Battery Efficiency Early batteries were heavy and inefficient. Modern batteries still face efficiency challenges.
Range Anxiety Limited range of early EVs caused concern. Current EVs still struggle with range limitations.
Infrastructure Needs Lack of charging stations hindered adoption. Modern infrastructure is still developing.

Conclusion

The narrative around electric vehicles has remained consistent over the years, with many of the same concerns being raised repeatedly. Understanding this historical context can provide insight into the current state of EV technology and its future potential.

[sdbob]

Local Pontiac club mtg one of the guys was talking about local new housing development. People have EVs .When they come home they all plug them in! He saying creates a drain and power dims or shuts off. Maybe bs or true as some areas may not have enough supply.

[ta6point6]

Originally Posted by jhein

I have a simple question. From a purely practical transportation usage standpoint, what is it that EVs do better than ICEVs?

Instant torque, simple drivetrain= batteries, electric motors, so less parts to break and less maintenance costs i.e. brakes last longer with regeneration while stopping. In town driving also regenerates power back into EV when you are driving. Charging an EV off peak/night time hours is about .13. is Most cases more room because there is no transmission hump
As I see it the only limitations to EVs is the cost of EV compared to ICEV although prices have come down drastically, but new vehicles are expensive now a days. The charging times can be long compared to filling up an ICEV vehicle although in China they have a station where you pull in and a robotic elevator changes out your battery for a charged one in under 3 minutes. There are also some places that offer free EV charging not a lot of places but there are some in the US, when is the last time you got free gas. There have been plenty of youtubers who have driven across America in an EV.
Most Evs can be charged off a standard 120v household plug depends on how many miles you drive or a 240v(dryer plug) level 2 charger for a lot of miles driven